Wave, accolade and problems...

ErkMa · 09-10-2010, 06:33 AM

*wave* Hi everyone, newbie from Sweden coming in.

*accolade* Wonderful job done on the Open Inkpot project.

*problem a* I can't get my PC's to recognize the BeBook One (V3ext) over USB after changing over to OI. A new device driver needed?

*problem b* I hope DRM-support is added, else IO is sort of doomed...

Cheerio

Erik

idle · 09-10-2010, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ErkMa

*wave* Hi everyone, newbie from Sweden coming in.

*accolade* Wonderful job done on the Open Inkpot project.

*problem a* I can't get my PC's to recognize the BeBook One (V3ext) over USB after changing over to OI. A new device driver needed?

*problem b* I hope DRM-support is added, else IO is sort of doomed...

Cheerio

Erik

Problem A: Mass storage is not supported in OI for V3. For connecting to your computer, you'll need to set up an SSH connection, it's described on this page: http://openinkpot.org/wiki/Documentation/ConnectViaSSH

Problem B: Well, as I understand it, DRM support is not much likely.

ErkMa · 09-11-2010, 11:30 AM

Ah ok, thank you.

And there goes OpenInkpot out the window... Bye bye.
Special special to hook it up and then no borrowed or bought books on top of that. How did you think then?

Mind you, I really prefer IO, especially when it comes to font size.
But the above... *sigh* Is it again this strange notion by "Linux-people" that "user-friendly computer" is an oxymoron invented by Bill and Steve to keep the masses in check?

desertgrandma · 09-11-2010, 01:17 PM

Welcome to MobileRead, Erick!

idle · 09-12-2010, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ErkMa

Ah ok, thank you.

And there goes OpenInkpot out the window... Bye bye.
Special special to hook it up and then no borrowed or bought books on top of that. How did you think then?

Mind you, I really prefer IO, especially when it comes to font size.
But the above... *sigh* Is it again this strange notion by "Linux-people" that "user-friendly computer" is an oxymoron invented by Bill and Steve to keep the masses in check?

Well, as for the mass storage part, it's only because nobody has written the driver yet and the vendors aren't making it any easier. Anyone is welcome write it. (And SSH is easy to use, really, it's only the need to set it up that puts people off.)

ErkMa · 09-13-2010, 04:33 AM

Thanks desertgrandma!

Exactly idle. And also exactly why linux can never grow. Because this is the bottomline, "don't like it - write it yourself".
I don't want to write it myself. I could well pay for the ready product thou. I am a computer user. It's like music, I like to listen to it but can't play it myself.

idle · 09-13-2010, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ErkMa

Thanks desertgrandma!

Exactly idle. And also exactly why linux can never grow. Because this is the bottomline, "don't like it - write it yourself".
I don't want to write it myself. I could well pay for the ready product thou. I am a computer user. It's like music, I like to listen to it but can't play it myself.

I understand what you mean, but you're making it sound as if the "linux people" (doesn't have to be linux though) do it like this on purpose. Which is not true, only it's a lot of hard, mostly unpaid work and there's always something that hasn't been done yet. As with any other software, you can 1) take it or 2) leave it, your choice. Improving it is only an additional third option that's available here.

pholy · 09-13-2010, 10:31 AM

All software gives you the 1) take it or 2) leave it choices. Only free/open source software gives yo that third choice: improve it.

If you can find something ready-made at a price you are happy with - take it.

Otherwise you can wait and hope - or you can help out, lots of different ways.

ErkMa · 09-13-2010, 11:01 AM

Hm... I think either I didn't made my point clear, or maybe that it wasn't receivable?

idle ~ Yes, in fact they do. A misplaced way to support open source. A way to make it a way of life. Instead of what I believe it's meant to be, a way to open up programming barricades. (Even if I think architects benefit more from it.)
+ poly ~ I can, as most of us, only support a new program with input, beta test and "material support". So the two first are a moot points (ie 1) take it or 2) leave it) and the third is non-existent (write it yourself).

And when it's such major parts that are just ignored I can't but presume that OI is made by people that doesn't care for their users at all. Or rather care nought for their product! 'Cause as it stands right now it's all that work down the drain.
If you can't hook it up nor borrow or buy books then it's a dead firmware for an e-book reader.
And that I feel is extremely sad.

Yes, I still have an open mind towards open source. I would like to find a middle ground... Between intellectual property and communal effort. But that's quite not the topic right here.

So... any other firmware out there?

dottedmag · 09-16-2010, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ErkMa

And when it's such major parts that are just ignored I can't but presume that OI is made by people that doesn't care for their users at all. Or rather care nought for their product! 'Cause as it stands right now it's all that work down the drain.
If you can't hook it up nor borrow or buy books then it's a dead firmware for an e-book reader.
And that I feel is extremely sad.

First problem is due to lack of kernel developers. Do you volunteer?

Second problem is deliberately ignored, if not due to fact DRM is biggest idiocy since socialism, then due to unsolvable legal problems. It is just not legal to implement any DRM scheme as free software. If you are unlucky enough to live in country where you're not allowed to remove encryption from book you've just bought, you've got lot of solutions: 1) move to saner country 2) stop buying DRM books 3) submit to those who control DRM schemes and buy their crapware 4) vote for Pirate Party or any other party that will denounce DMCA and similar bullshit.

ErkMa · 09-19-2010, 06:56 AM

Sorry .Ted||,
~ I don't volunteer to something I'm not capable etc in doing.
~ I do recognize the benefits of Open Source.
~ I, also, respect those wanting to get paid for their labour.
~ DRM is most possibly the best thing since oat-porridge.
~ Torrent-sharing is the best thing since DRM. (How else would I be able to watch a movie like Kin Dza Dza?!)

Hm, so it's the same trouble if I run Ubuntu then, with DRM?

MrZehl · 09-20-2010, 05:19 AM

Google for mobidedrm and solve your drm problems forever. That's what I did with my books. I bought them so I want to read them the way I want. And I want to be able to read my books if my current hardware fails. Couldn't get that DRM key working on my BeBook anyway.

ErkMa · 09-24-2010, 04:50 AM

Thanks mr Zehl. Not much use for me thou.
I don't use mobi and I have no problem with DRM-protection. And I also have no problem getting my laptop and BeBook (original firmware) work with Adobe Digital Edition.

On a side note. I've tried to migrate from mr Gates to mr Thorwald quite some times now. Every time falling (almost literally) back to Windows because the net effect of Linux products just doesn't work.

Good examples of when it works are Mozilla and VideoLAN.

09-10-2010, 06:33 AM	#1
ErkMa obnoxious wannabe Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden Device: One --> Neo --> Nuuthree	Wave, accolade and problems... wave Hi everyone, newbie from Sweden coming in. accolade Wonderful job done on the Open Inkpot project. problem a I can't get my PC's to recognize the BeBook One (V3ext) over USB after changing over to OI. A new device driver needed? problem b I hope DRM-support is added, else IO is sort of doomed... Cheerio Erik

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ErkMa obnoxious wannabe Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden Device: One --> Neo --> Nuuthree	Ah ok, thank you. And there goes OpenInkpot out the window... Bye bye. Special special to hook it up and then no borrowed or bought books on top of that. How did you think then? Mind you, I really prefer IO, especially when it comes to font size. But the above... sigh Is it again this strange notion by "Linux-people" that "user-friendly computer" is an oxymoron invented by Bill and Steve to keep the masses in check?

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desertgrandma Enjoying the show.... Posts: 14,270 Karma: 10462841 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Arizona Device: A K1, Kindle Paperwhite, an Ipod, IPad2, Iphone, an Ipad Mini & macAir	Welcome to MobileRead, Erick!

09-13-2010, 04:33 AM	#6
ErkMa obnoxious wannabe Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden Device: One --> Neo --> Nuuthree	Thanks desertgrandma! Exactly idle. And also exactly why linux can never grow. Because this is the bottomline, "don't like it - write it yourself". I don't want to write it myself. I could well pay for the ready product thou. I am a computer user. It's like music, I like to listen to it but can't play it myself.

09-13-2010, 10:31 AM	#8
pholy Booklegger Posts: 1,801 Karma: 7999816 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Device: BeBook(1 & 2010), PEZ, PRS-505, Kobo BT, PRS-T1, Playbook, Kobo Touch	All software gives you the 1) take it or 2) leave it choices. Only free/open source software gives yo that third choice: improve it. If you can find something ready-made at a price you are happy with - take it. Otherwise you can wait and hope - or you can help out, lots of different ways.

09-13-2010, 11:01 AM	#9
ErkMa obnoxious wannabe Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden Device: One --> Neo --> Nuuthree	Hm... I think either I didn't made my point clear, or maybe that it wasn't receivable? idle ~ Yes, in fact they do. A misplaced way to support open source. A way to make it a way of life. Instead of what I believe it's meant to be, a way to open up programming barricades. (Even if I think architects benefit more from it.) + poly ~ I can, as most of us, only support a new program with input, beta test and "material support". So the two first are a moot points (ie 1) take it or 2) leave it) and the third is non-existent (write it yourself). And when it's such major parts that are just ignored I can't but presume that OI is made by people that doesn't care for their users at all. Or rather care nought for their product! 'Cause as it stands right now it's all that work down the drain. If you can't hook it up nor borrow or buy books then it's a dead firmware for an e-book reader. And that I feel is extremely sad. Yes, I still have an open mind towards open source. I would like to find a middle ground... Between intellectual property and communal effort. But that's quite not the topic right here. So... any other firmware out there?

09-19-2010, 06:56 AM	#11
ErkMa obnoxious wannabe Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden Device: One --> Neo --> Nuuthree	Sorry .Ted\|\|, ~ I don't volunteer to something I'm not capable etc in doing. ~ I do recognize the benefits of Open Source. ~ I, also, respect those wanting to get paid for their labour. ~ DRM is most possibly the best thing since oat-porridge. ~ Torrent-sharing is the best thing since DRM. (How else would I be able to watch a movie like Kin Dza Dza?!) Hm, so it's the same trouble if I run Ubuntu then, with DRM?

09-20-2010, 05:19 AM	#12
MrZehl Happy Reader Posts: 18 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Delft, The Netherlands Device: BeBook	Google for mobidedrm and solve your drm problems forever. That's what I did with my books. I bought them so I want to read them the way I want. And I want to be able to read my books if my current hardware fails. Couldn't get that DRM key working on my BeBook anyway.

09-24-2010, 04:50 AM	#13
ErkMa obnoxious wannabe Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden Device: One --> Neo --> Nuuthree	Thanks mr Zehl. Not much use for me thou. I don't use mobi and I have no problem with DRM-protection. And I also have no problem getting my laptop and BeBook (original firmware) work with Adobe Digital Edition. On a side note. I've tried to migrate from mr Gates to mr Thorwald quite some times now. Every time falling (almost literally) back to Windows because the net effect of Linux products just doesn't work. Good examples of when it works are Mozilla and VideoLAN.

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