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Old 05-02-2010, 07:57 PM   #1
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Why is it ok to have links to tools to softroot a nook and not links to tools to remove DRM?

Seems one is as bad as the other as far as gray areas go.
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Old 05-03-2010, 03:15 AM   #2
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Why is it ok to have links to tools to softroot a nook and not links to tools to remove DRM?

Seems one is as bad as the other as far as gray areas go.
Jon, softroot allows you to install homebrew software onto the Nook device, software of any kind. Tools to remove DRM, well, they are solely meant to remove DRM. I don't see how the two relate to each other in terms of gray areas. What you personally do with either of the two techniques, and whether it is within the law of the country you live in, is not ours to judge. We only kindly ask you to accept that we do not want to nor cannot allow direct links to DRM cracking tools.

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Old 05-03-2010, 10:17 AM   #3
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I know about DRM and linking to the tools. I was just using it as a comparison to say that softrooting a nook may be just as gray an area. It's the same sort of thing as jailbreaking an iPhone. For the iPhone/iPod, etc, I know Apple doesn't like it. I have no idea the stand of B&N.
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Old 05-03-2010, 11:02 AM   #4
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Softroot for android phone never was a problem, i don't see why it would be the the nook.

There are some law that makes stripping off drm illegal in some county. As far as I know, softroot is illegal nowhere.

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It's the same sort of thing as jailbreaking an iPhone.
I'm not sure rooting do allows "hacking" apps. You can install external apps without rooting. (Well, not sure about the nook there, but for most android phones...)

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It specifically relates to legislation such as the DMCA that makes it illegal to disseminate software or information that can be used to circumvent DRM.

Softrooting or even hard-rooting only invalidates your warranty, it is not illegal. If fact it is protected activity though Apple and others might like it if it were illegal and try to act as if it were.
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Old 05-04-2010, 06:42 PM   #6
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JSWolf brings up a valid point. I don't know why everyone just accepts on faith that breaking DRM is illegal and jailbreaking or rooting isn't. Neither of these have ever been challenged in court. Many people believe that stripping DRM for personal use would hold up in court and restrictions on it might be found unconstitutional. Furthermore, just last year Apple outright claimed that jailbreaking was against the DMCA. As the law is written, distributing jailbreaking software could also be seen as illegal. So it's not unreasonable to wonder why a forum censors one but not the other. Personally, I don't think either of these would hold up in court. However, the practical stance that I'm sure Mobileread takes is that they don't have the resources to combat a lawsuit and whereas take-down notices for DRM circumvention tools are ubiquitous, it hasn't been as widespread an issue for jailbreaking to rooting tools. But let's not pretend the two are completely different issues.
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It really depends on what you root. Apple claims jailbreaking circumvents DMCA due to their access control within apple devices that blocks unapproved iphone apps. It allows users to circumvent the apple store.

The nook softroot doesn't circumvent any B&N store limitation since there is no such limit. B&N hasn't tried to prevent the distribution of soft root software. Jailbreaking, rooting and hacking DRM are all subtly different. Conflate them at your peril.

PS. I don't agree with Apple's statement in any case but the that point is orthogonal to my main point.
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Softrooting or even hard-rooting only invalidates your warranty
Oh, HTC better not refuse me warranty for HARDWARE trouble. I wouldn't accept it from dell either because I installed linux instead of windows.
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Oh, HTC better not refuse me warranty for HARDWARE trouble. I wouldn't accept it from dell either because I installed linux instead of windows.
However if you do not restore to the 'factory' software - it is unclear if it is a hardware or software problem (ie is your Video acting up because the chip is fried, or because it is a bad driver.... or if I want to be really nasty, I could claim that the bad driver fried the chip and so is not covered).

Back to the topic, while not the goal of the policy (which is a to avoid legal hassles) it does make it easier for me to participate in the forums. If the policy were to allow the links my monitoring of MobileRead would be for entirely different (and objectionable to everybody) purposes.
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Old 05-05-2010, 10:31 AM   #10
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However if you do not restore to the 'factory' software - it is unclear if it is a hardware or software problem (ie is your Video acting up because the chip is fried, or because it is a bad driver.... or if I want to be really nasty, I could claim that the bad driver fried the chip and so is not covered).
Bad driver can hardly "fry" anything. (If that can happen, that is, IMHO, an hardware fault)

Plus I can always refers to default. The only things that would prevent it is a serious hardware failure. Or I totally screw up making backup (But there, I will know where the fault lies and accept paying for the mess I made.)

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Why is it ok to have links to tools to softroot a nook and not links to tools to remove DRM?

Seems one is as bad as the other as far as gray areas go.
I would say, having noted the remarks of those much more knowledgeable than I, it is at least partly due to the perspective of the company (-ies) holding the copyright/patent in question. No doubt softrooting your device (Nook or otherwise) violates the warranty, so if you make it suitable only for framing, use as a paperweight and instructive moral lessons regarding the evils of fiddling with things you know you should leave very well alone; the manufacturer, distributor, and whomever else has lost nothing.
An eBook publishers' perspective may be that, when you remove the DRM you are doing so for nefarious purposes, possible even freely distributing a product they sell. Others, on the internets, will download what you have sent out, and they, in turn, will distribute them as bit torrents. Pretty soon, you have the eBook equivalent of an offshore oil rig exploding, leaving the well to gush millions of gallons of oil -that could be refined and sold at a tremendous profit- into the Gulf of Mexico causing incalculable havoc to the planet, no to mention the lives and livelihoods of everyone in the world.

I might have exaggerated a little.
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Why is it ok to have links to tools to softroot a nook and not links to tools to remove DRM?

Seems one is as bad as the other as far as gray areas go.
It's no longer an issue. According to today's (7/27) LA Times:

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The Library of Congress, as part of a regular review of copyright rules, has revised a 1998 position that banned phone owners from bypassing technical locks on the devices. The process, nicknamed jailbreaking, has been used by iPhone owners to buck AT&T Inc.'s exclusivity as the cell carrier for the device.
The complete article is at http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...,4385067.story
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