Concerns About Sony's Religious Intolerance - Page 11

desertgrandma · 01-25-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Patricia

You ladies are incorrigible.

Ricky started it.

MidknytOwl · 01-26-2009, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RickyMaveety

Yeah .... what about the giant conspiracy between the Gideon Society and the Hotels of America?? Why is it that they want to force me to read the Christian Bible?? Why can't I have some nice topic neutral reading material in the bedside stand?? Or at least some Richard Dawkins to balance things out a little?? How about a Koran (or however the hell we are supposed to spell it these days)? Book of Mormon (not one of my all time faves, but why not)? 101 Things to do With a Dead Cat?? The Terrorist's Cookbook?? Madame Bovary?

Actually, if you stay in a hotel in Utah all the rooms have Books of Mormon in them. (Of course).

And in my hometown of Las Vegas, the hotel bibles are all gold-covered. So at least they try, right?

I'm with you on the black thing - not only are not all black people American, but they're not all African either. It always pissed off my friend whose family came from Jamaica to be called African-American.

Mr. Dalliard · 01-26-2009, 01:10 AM

Of course, anyone with even the most rudimentary understanding of the English language knows that the term "Religious Intolerance" can only mean "the intolerance exhibited by religious people", as exemplified by the original poster.

As it happens, "The God delusion" is a well written and entertaining book, and not nearly as strident, if at all, as some religious people, most of whom invariably haven't even read it, try to make out.

As others have said, you are free to give up the chance to enlighten yourself a little and just delete it - much as I myself would have done if a copy of the bible, other than the King James version, had come pre-installed; after all, those modern re-translations truly are a crime against literature.

Sony has already had enough trouble with the whole Little Big Planet fiasco.

HarryT · 01-26-2009, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Patricia

You ladies are incorrigible.

Shhh - you'll only incorrige them!

BuddyBoy · 01-26-2009, 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickyMaveety

Yeah .... what about the giant conspiracy between the Gideon Society and the Hotels of America?? Why is it that they want to force me to read the Christian Bible?? Why can't I have some nice topic neutral reading material in the bedside stand?? Or at least some Richard Dawkins to balance things out a little?? How about a Koran (or however the hell we are supposed to spell it these days)? Book of Mormon (not one of my all time faves, but why not)? 101 Things to do With a Dead Cat?? The Terrorist's Cookbook?? Madame Bovary?

In San Fran, I found "The Ways of Buddha" along with the bible. Of course, I always prefer "Be My Guest" by Conrad Hilton.

AprilHare · 01-26-2009, 03:06 AM

You know, I just noticed mobileread does not have the Book of Mormon!
After a thirty second conversion with gutlrf here it is (courtesy of Project Gutenberg).

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Originally Posted by MidknytOwl

Actually, if you stay in a hotel in Utah all the rooms have Books of Mormon in them. (Of course).

And in my hometown of Las Vegas, the hotel bibles are all gold-covered. So at least they try, right?

I'm with you on the black thing - not only are not all black people American, but they're not all African either. It always pissed off my friend whose family came from Jamaica to be called African-American.

Chris P Bacon · 01-26-2009, 04:51 AM

As a total newbie to this ebook thing and the forum I just wanted to say what a fantastically well written and reasoned thread this is.
On so many other forums (is that the correct plural?) this would have degenerated into a personal name calling flame war but here it just sparks informed, insightful and often witty debate.

:
Colour me impressed!
Long may it continue.
Chris

fugazied · 01-26-2009, 05:15 AM

You can simply delete it. Having faith usually means that a person chooses to ignore rational discourse from other sources regarding their religion anyway. Because that's what the book does, provides a rational attack against the superstition that is religion, you have faith just ignore it. If it really offends you, return the device and get a Kindle (but I have a feeling Amazon sell that nasty Dawkins book).

tompe · 01-26-2009, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RickyMaveety

Yeah .... what about the giant conspiracy between the Gideon Society and the Hotels of America?? Why is it that they want to force me to read the Christian Bible??

The University I work at has some principle to book hotel rooms without porn channels if possible even if it is more expensive. My reaction to that was that I wanted a room without a bible since it upsets me more than the availability of porn channels.

A hotel chain in Sweden removed the bibles from the hotel room and Church groups bojcotted them and encouraged others to do the same and kind of forced them to put them back.

Gaurnim · 01-26-2009, 06:58 AM

This thread was a great read !
Thanks for your insights and opinions, and thanks for the interesting books to read (both the one in the original post and the Lee Strobel ones).

This is a great part of what I enjoy here, the serious and argumented discussions.
I also enjoy the silly ones, of course, don't misinterpret my words.

Ok, I resisted so far to the burning desire to add something to the discussion, and I will finish my message quickly, so that this desire does not become too strong.

slayda · 01-26-2009, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaurnim

This thread was a great read !
Thanks for your insights and opinions, and thanks for the interesting books to read (both the one in the original post and the Lee Strobel ones).

This is a great part of what I enjoy here, the serious and argumented discussions.
I also enjoy the silly ones, of course, don't misinterpret my words.

Ok, I resisted so far to the burning desire to add something to the discussion, and I will finish my message quickly, so that this desire does not become too strong.

What, you mean this one is not silly. Silly me! I guess I should make a serious post here .

...

Naw, too much work & I'm retired.

jimbob101 · 01-26-2009, 09:28 AM

I've been following this thread with great interest. I'm Irish and was raised Catholic. However once i was old enough to think for myself and started questioning the churche i realised it was not for me.

I've read Dawkins and enjoyed it as "A child of Catholic parents" i would like to make an observation.

why is it considered "intolerance" to simply question a set of beliefs

The reason i felt the need to make these points is that i questioned my faith and found what i was being tought lacking something and that while religion (Not faith) has been responsible for much good on this little backwater rock of ours it has also been responsible for what i would consider evils.

Whats the one thing i tooks from all this (I did have a point relevant to the discussion) if im interested in a viewpoint i will listen and learn. If i'm not interested then i wont and i don't let it bother me. Life is too short to worry about the little things.

Sorry for rambling (It happens from time to time)

Steven Lyle Jordan · 01-26-2009, 09:32 AM

Whoa... NO WAY is this thread still running?!?

As a devout follower in the teachings of Aesop's Fables, from which the bulk of all modern religion's moral teachings actually originated (and note that I avoided putting those words in quotes, italics, bolding or underlines), I'm surprised that you all haven't come to realize that it doesn't matter whether or not there is a God... nor whether or not you believe in one... what is vitally important is that if you treat each other with the reverence and respect befitting Human Beings (including not belittling others for their beliefs), all will be right in the world.

Okay. I'll stop back in in a week, and see how everyone's doing. K Thnx Bye!

Patricia · 01-26-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mtravellerh

Completely OT:
Just you wait. Only a few posts to go and then Mister Godwin is right again.
For those ignorant of Godwin's Law, here it is:“As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.”

On the other hand, may I propose the MobileRead Hypothesis for scientific consideration:
"As a thread grows longer, the probability of its becoming frivolous, or downright silly, approaches one.

Wetdogeared · 01-26-2009, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patricia

On the other hand, may I propose the MobileRead Hypothesis for scientific consideration:
"As a thread grows longer, the probability of its becoming frivolous, or downright silly, approaches one.

Is that the formal pronoun one, or the probability number one?

*edit* added "one" links (that sounds very odd!!)

01-26-2009, 01:10 AM	#153
Mr. Dalliard Zealot Posts: 143 Karma: 35 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Device: Kindle 3	Of course, anyone with even the most rudimentary understanding of the English language knows that the term "Religious Intolerance" can only mean "the intolerance exhibited by religious people", as exemplified by the original poster. As it happens, "The God delusion" is a well written and entertaining book, and not nearly as strident, if at all, as some religious people, most of whom invariably haven't even read it, try to make out. As others have said, you are free to give up the chance to enlighten yourself a little and just delete it - much as I myself would have done if a copy of the bible, other than the King James version, had come pre-installed; after all, those modern re-translations truly are a crime against literature. Sony has already had enough trouble with the whole Little Big Planet fiasco. Last edited by Mr. Dalliard; 01-26-2009 at 01:14 AM.

01-26-2009, 04:51 AM	#157
Chris P Bacon Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 558 Join Date: Jan 2009 Device: Sony Reader	Top Marks! As a total newbie to this ebook thing and the forum I just wanted to say what a fantastically well written and reasoned thread this is. On so many other forums (is that the correct plural?) this would have degenerated into a personal name calling flame war but here it just sparks informed, insightful and often witty debate.: Colour me impressed! Long may it continue. Chris

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01-26-2009, 05:15 AM	#158
fugazied Wizard Posts: 1,305 Karma: 1958 Join Date: Jan 2009 Device: iPod Touch	You can simply delete it. Having faith usually means that a person chooses to ignore rational discourse from other sources regarding their religion anyway. Because that's what the book does, provides a rational attack against the superstition that is religion, you have faith just ignore it. If it really offends you, return the device and get a Kindle (but I have a feeling Amazon sell that nasty Dawkins book).

01-26-2009, 06:58 AM	#160
Gaurnim Final Five n°42 Posts: 789 Karma: 3599 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lyon, France Device: Cybook Gen3	This thread was a great read ! Thanks for your insights and opinions, and thanks for the interesting books to read (both the one in the original post and the Lee Strobel ones). This is a great part of what I enjoy here, the serious and argumented discussions. I also enjoy the silly ones, of course, don't misinterpret my words. Ok, I resisted so far to the burning desire to add something to the discussion, and I will finish my message quickly, so that this desire does not become too strong.

01-26-2009, 09:28 AM	#162
jimbob101 Connoisseur Posts: 60 Karma: 499999 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Laois, Ireland Device: Kindle App Android, Kindle PW2, Calibre	I've been following this thread with great interest. I'm Irish and was raised Catholic. However once i was old enough to think for myself and started questioning the churche i realised it was not for me. I've read Dawkins and enjoyed it as "A child of Catholic parents" i would like to make an observation. why is it considered "intolerance" to simply question a set of beliefs The reason i felt the need to make these points is that i questioned my faith and found what i was being tought lacking something and that while religion (Not faith) has been responsible for much good on this little backwater rock of ours it has also been responsible for what i would consider evils. Whats the one thing i tooks from all this (I did have a point relevant to the discussion) if im interested in a viewpoint i will listen and learn. If i'm not interested then i wont and i don't let it bother me. Life is too short to worry about the little things. Sorry for rambling (It happens from time to time)

01-26-2009, 09:32 AM	#163
Steven Lyle Jordan Grand Sorcerer Posts: 8,478 Karma: 5171130 Join Date: Jan 2006 Device: none	Whoa... NO WAY is this thread still running?!? As a devout follower in the teachings of Aesop's Fables, from which the bulk of all modern religion's moral teachings actually originated (and note that I avoided putting those words in quotes, italics, bolding or underlines), I'm surprised that you all haven't come to realize that it doesn't matter whether or not there is a God... nor whether or not you believe in one... what is vitally important is that if you treat each other with the reverence and respect befitting Human Beings (including not belittling others for their beliefs), all will be right in the world. Okay. I'll stop back in in a week, and see how everyone's doing. K Thnx Bye!

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