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I don't think that's it. I really don't. There was a guy on the KDP who had to be The GUY, you know, and he pontificated (as though this was simply FACT) that this was the reason why Arial didn't work--that the Zon deliberately disabled it because it "belonged to Microsoft." Now, that's all well and good, if you don't take into account the fact that we, and others, have embedded Arial for this or that for years now. I will say, however, that it's also true that there is something quite hinky about Arial. It seems to have limits, in how MUCH it can be used in a KBook. Damned if I know the why. It's peculiar as hell. AND, hell, if anything was going to be un-embeddable, due to licensing rights, or lack thereof, you'd think it would be Adobe fonts, right? And we've embedded them all over the place. How would the Zon know, for example, whether I licensed Font X, or not? Anybody can type in some type of BS "dun bin licensed, y'all" statement. So...I can't see that as it. On the other hand, would I bet my life savings against that being true? Hells, no. Quote:
Murky waters we are swimmin' in now, indeed. Update: NO update from the client. Last tested sample download was still missing fonts. <(*&^%$#@!> Hitch |
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Well checking the permission bit case should be doable with fontforge shouldn't it?
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Nonetheless: yes, I'll check. Hitch |
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Hm if you say 10 days... To change that behavior without notice would indeed be awkward. Y
A test run would be to take 1 whatever file you have properly licensed (that has the permission embedding bit unset) and make a minimal test mobi. Does some of your font previewers show the permissions? PS I hope you cash customers extra if they want to profit from your own collection of licensed fonts. |
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Obviously, for print, if we have the font licensed for commercial use and desktop publishing, no further licensing by the client is required. BUT, if they then want to use the same for the eBook, we either do the licensing, OR, we find them a free-for-eBook-use replacement font. Or, hell, we use the defaults. Quote:
Of course we tell them. I have one bookmaker that kicks against using ye olden Garamond for print, because the eBook aspect is so dire, but I'm rather partial to it for DTB. Most of my in-house designs use it, to emulate layout for clients. So...<shrug>, good for print, bad for E, unless it's already ON the device. Of course--trying to get MOBI embedded fonts (on K devices, folks, let's not go all Calibre here) to play nicely with firmware fonts, not so simple. Hitch |
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Not only are you one of the most experienced people around here Hitch, you're also one of the most entertaining. So...let us know what happens with the fonts. There's several (including me) rather technical people around who can possibly help devise new means of doing this, if need be. (Yesterday I had to figure out how to get images to display in iBooks <aside> popovers...fun stuff, and actually not all that bad in the end.) If this does end up happening, we may want to conduct any further collaboration over PM instead of in an open thread, so Amazon doesn't just drop over here and check it out. ...Then again, they see all the files we upload to them. Btw, who is "Zon"? EDIT: Also, curious, in the case of this book your client's client downloaded that had the fonts stripped, has it had "Enhanced Typesetting" applied to it? Last edited by mattmc; 06-05-2016 at 05:48 PM. |
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From what I'm reading, it seems very likely that Amazon uses a single ingest process for all content, whether it was translated from Word or not, and that it recognizes all the standard Windows fonts, and if it sees them in large swaths of CSS, it assumes that the CSS is junk that Word produced automatically and tosses the fonts out. If that's the case, then your best bet is to avoid any of the fonts that ship on systems by default. :-)
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Dag, that is downright inspired. Never crossed my mind. I mean, crappity, they seem to never balk at TNR, so...<shrug>. I agree that it's a single intake process, via KDP. No argument. I don't know if there's anything else, once it moves to the PW (Publishing Workflow), but...I wouldn't be completely surprised if they had different "checks" in place for all sorts of qualifiers, whether by genre (presumably, they check things like Cookbooks for "freely available on the web" and erotica for, well...stuff) or input format. Never even thought of that. Still no update, by the way, my brethren. We asked "Are you sure...?" and we've not heard a whisper since. Makes me suspect an ePUB was loaded, but... I can't prove that the dead silence is due to mens rea. (And, man, they RIPPED our client about how "dreadful" it looked, too!) Hitch |
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