SOPA Blackout Protest - Page 5

HansTWN · 01-12-2012, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by teh603

More likely they're using piracy as an excuse for their outdated business models. They know they're no longer the gatekeepers, they know they can no longer tell the populace what to listen to or read, and they're trying to find some way to get it back to prolong the inevitable as long as they possibly can.

They still are the gatekeepers for their books, but there are a lot more options out there. Indies, buying overseas from a different distributor, free books in PD, even ebook libraries from other countries.

It would be good if piracy could be stopped, but SOPA certainly isn't the way to do it. Not that there really is a way to cut off the supply by drastic measures, educating people that piracy is wrong and making buying ebooks easier and somewhat more affordable is the only hope.

jmaejr · 01-13-2012, 12:12 AM

The REAL issue is neither SOPA or PIPA will do anything to stop piracy in any meaningful way. It will only create huge enforcement problems and MOST IMPORTANTLY will allow enormous potential for abuse. Both of these bills were written by the content industry i.e. the RIAA and the MPAA, with no input from the technology industry. What’s worse is they are being rammed through congress and into law without any negotiation.

The goal of both bills is to silence independent media under the guise of stopping piracy and other copyright violations. Hollywood’s interest may be to stop piracy; however, the Governments goal is to stifle dissent. If Hollywood withdrew its support these would still pass.

This whole thing isn’t really about anti-piracy, it’s about government control and killing the 1st Amendment. This power will be, and is INTENDED to be, used to stop free political speech in America by using the Internet. They'll just use some argument that you're infringing copyright, no proof needed, just like no proof is needed for NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act).

HansTWN · 01-13-2012, 04:13 AM

There obviously is enormous potential for abuse here, which is why we are all against it. But the goal is not to stop free speech but it is an attempt to stop piracy. It is a bill drawn up by the industry which is equivalent to using a cannon to shoot mosquitoes and it won't pass.

I am sorry, but the US government has no interest in killing free speech. This is not some secret attempt to kill the 1st amendment. (Even if this did pass it would have no effect on political speech).

phcaan · 01-13-2012, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jmaejr

If everyone thinks that SOPA and PIPA are NOT an attempt of the US Government trying to control the flow of free information, then have I got a deal on some good beachfront property...

Sharpen up your pencil, I think we have some customers ready to buy.
Oh, and whip up a new batch of kool aid, these folks are thirsty.

Phogg · 01-13-2012, 06:00 AM

The government does have a recent history of shutting down political websites with no cout proceedings, so any denisl of political motivations looks extremely foolish to those of us who follow news and political discussion forums closely.

mr ploppy · 01-13-2012, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveEisenberg

If declining numbers of CD's and movie tickets purchased aren't due to piracy, then they are probably due to content company leaders being beaten in the marketplace fair and square.

There's a worldwide recession, sales of just about everything are down on what they used to be.

phcaan · 01-13-2012, 06:07 AM

Not even close.

There are plenty of news sources that aren't corporate in nature. In the age of the Internets, it's 1000x easier to find such a source than in earlier eras when you had 3 television networks and 1 or 2 local newspapers.[/QUOTE]

I think you have nailed it! The internet affords anyone the opportunity to research both sides of any issue, or even learn about issues not covered in the mainstream press.
Also the point made earlier in this post that the corporations are pushing this and the government will take advantage of it; Well who do you suppose paid for all of those politicians?

teh603 · 01-13-2012, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jmaejr

The REAL issue is neither SOPA or PIPA will do anything to stop piracy in any meaningful way. It will only create huge enforcement problems and MOST IMPORTANTLY will allow enormous potential for abuse. Both of these bills were written by the content industry i.e. the RIAA and the MPAA, with no input from the technology industry. What’s worse is they are being rammed through congress and into law without any negotiation.

Well, that is how the Tea Party feels legislation should work. One party gets control and stuffs its entire platform down the other party's throat.

pdurrant · 01-13-2012, 08:38 AM

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kennyc · 01-13-2012, 09:53 AM

I'm all for it! The blackout day that is...

Andrew H. · 01-13-2012, 11:38 AM

Unfortunately, the "blackout day" appears to have been made up. Google, Facebook, etc. have all denied that they are going to have a blackout day. (Although Reddit looks to be having one.)

xg4bx · 01-13-2012, 05:40 PM

DNS provision pulled from SOPA, victory for opponents

"In a move the technology sector will surely see as a victory, a controversial antipiracy bill being debated in Congress will no longer include a provision that would require ISPs to block access to overseas Web sites accused of piracy.

Rep. Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas), one of the biggest backers of the Stop Online Piracy Act, today said he plans to remove the Domain Name System or DNS-blocking provision."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-57...ents/?ttag=fbw

SteveEisenberg · 01-13-2012, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by phcaan

There are plenty of news sources that aren't corporate in nature.

There are plenty of non-corporate sources of opinion, whether governmental or individual. But all of this planet's little-to-no-ax-to-grind news gathering organizations, at least that are coming to my mind at the moment, are currently organized as corporations.

Was this post political?

Hamlet53 · 01-14-2012, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pdurrant

Political discussions do not belong in the main areas of Mobileread. If you wish to discussion the political reasons behind bills, rather than the effect they might have on ebooks, please start a thread in the Politics and Religion forum.

Further posts in this thread that are of this nature will be deleted.

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I hope that this does not violate this prohibition since it is really about the proposed bill.

White House response to Bill and petitions against it.

rdfry · 01-14-2012, 02:53 PM

XDA- Developers is also going to blackout on the 18th.

01-13-2012, 04:13 AM	#63
HansTWN Wizard Posts: 4,538 Karma: 264065402 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Taiwan Device: HP Touchpad, Sony Duo 13, Lumia 920, Kobo Aura HD	There obviously is enormous potential for abuse here, which is why we are all against it. But the goal is not to stop free speech but it is an attempt to stop piracy. It is a bill drawn up by the industry which is equivalent to using a cannon to shoot mosquitoes and it won't pass. I am sorry, but the US government has no interest in killing free speech. This is not some secret attempt to kill the 1st amendment. (Even if this did pass it would have no effect on political speech). Last edited by HansTWN; 01-13-2012 at 06:02 AM.

01-13-2012, 06:00 AM	#65
Phogg PHD in Horribleness Posts: 2,320 Karma: 23599604 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: In the ironbound section, near avenue L Device: Just a whole bunch. I guess I am a collector now.	The government does have a recent history of shutting down political websites with no cout proceedings, so any denisl of political motivations looks extremely foolish to those of us who follow news and political discussion forums closely. Last edited by Phogg; 01-13-2012 at 06:14 AM.

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jmaejr Banned Posts: 132 Karma: 566638 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Wouldn't you like to know. Device: Sony PRS-350:Sony PRS-T1:Rooted Nook Tablet	The REAL issue is neither SOPA or PIPA will do anything to stop piracy in any meaningful way. It will only create huge enforcement problems and MOST IMPORTANTLY will allow enormous potential for abuse. Both of these bills were written by the content industry i.e. the RIAA and the MPAA, with no input from the technology industry. What’s worse is they are being rammed through congress and into law without any negotiation. The goal of both bills is to silence independent media under the guise of stopping piracy and other copyright violations. Hollywood’s interest may be to stop piracy; however, the Governments goal is to stifle dissent. If Hollywood withdrew its support these would still pass. This whole thing isn’t really about anti-piracy, it’s about government control and killing the 1st Amendment. This power will be, and is INTENDED to be, used to stop free political speech in America by using the Internet. They'll just use some argument that you're infringing copyright, no proof needed, just like no proof is needed for NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act).

01-13-2012, 06:07 AM	#67
phcaan Junior Member Posts: 7 Karma: 52 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Willow Springs MO Device: Google Nexus 7	Not even close. There are plenty of news sources that aren't corporate in nature. In the age of the Internets, it's 1000x easier to find such a source than in earlier eras when you had 3 television networks and 1 or 2 local newspapers.[/QUOTE] I think you have nailed it! The internet affords anyone the opportunity to research both sides of any issue, or even learn about issues not covered in the mainstream press. Also the point made earlier in this post that the corporations are pushing this and the government will take advantage of it; Well who do you suppose paid for all of those politicians?

01-13-2012, 08:38 AM	#69
pdurrant The Grand Mouse 高貴的老鼠 Posts: 71,514 Karma: 306214458 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Norfolk, England Device: Kindle Voyage	Moderator Notice Political discussions do not belong in the main areas of Mobileread. If you wish to discussion the political reasons behind bills, rather than the effect they might have on ebooks, please start a thread in the Politics and Religion forum. Further posts in this thread that are of this nature will be deleted. Thank you.

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kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,872 Karma: 118716293 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire	I'm all for it! The blackout day that is...

01-13-2012, 11:38 AM	#71
Andrew H. Grand Master of Flowers Posts: 2,201 Karma: 8389072 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Naptown Device: Kindle PW, Kindle 3 (aka Keyboard), iPhone, iPad 3 (not for reading)	Unfortunately, the "blackout day" appears to have been made up. Google, Facebook, etc. have all denied that they are going to have a blackout day. (Although Reddit looks to be having one.)

01-13-2012, 05:40 PM	#72
xg4bx Are you gonna eat that? Posts: 1,633 Karma: 23215128 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Phillipsburg, NJ Device: Kindle 3, Nook STG	DNS provision pulled from SOPA, victory for opponents "In a move the technology sector will surely see as a victory, a controversial antipiracy bill being debated in Congress will no longer include a provision that would require ISPs to block access to overseas Web sites accused of piracy. Rep. Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas), one of the biggest backers of the Stop Online Piracy Act, today said he plans to remove the Domain Name System or DNS-blocking provision." http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-57...ents/?ttag=fbw

01-14-2012, 02:53 PM	#75
rdfry loving the books Posts: 374 Karma: 18825402 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: DFW Device: Rooted Nook, Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4, Galaxy Note 5, 2 Fire 7s Note 8	XDA- Developers is also going to blackout on the 18th.

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