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And it is a proven point that releasing excerpts from the diaries is damaging to the heirs. Why would families of similar figures not destroy such documents if copyright is abrogated? Is forcing the destruction of such documents by family members to become a matter of course action beneficial to the study of world events, or would it be a hindrance? Last edited by Phogg; 04-26-2015 at 05:21 PM. |
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In my country, the United States, we have a "fair use" doctrine protecting biographers from having to worry about copyrights on the quotations they use. And yet, our archives are filled with diaries of famous people. Authors and publishers in Germany don't normally pay for quotations. But because the law there isn't as clearly in favor of serious nonfiction, there's more opening for the child of a cabinet member, Nazi or otherwise, to seek compensation. I'm not rah-rah US, in general. But on this one issue, we have it right, as explained here: [Link with affiliate tag deleted - MODERATOR] EDITED: Sorry about that. To give credit where due, the author of the following quotation is Mike Masnick, and the website I found it on is TechDirt.com. Quote:
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Personally, one might hope that the funds would go toward making the world a better place considering the connection the author of the original memoirs had with making it a far worse place. Call it my crazy notion of karmic balance. |
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Obviously, because they are evil Germans.
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I'm not supporting RH, but I'm not supporting the families of Nazis either...
Considering just where the income would be coming from, the memoirs of a huge cog in the Nazi War Machine and what they were responsible for, I'd prefer no one even possibly connected to that Evil Empire profit. While you may wish to contribute to those who would like to enslave all in their paths, I'll pass on the funding drive. If you can call money coming from the recounting of the heinous acts of a man who was involved in deeds so base that he eventually murdered his entire family to likely avoid their paying the consequences of them or revealing further shame, anything but blood money you're better at sophistry than I am. |
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I had a go at identifying the copyright owner, and it depends. Goebbels had his diaries microfilmed (yes, in the early 1940s) and these were seized by the Russians in 1945, and largely forgotten until the 1990s when a western researcher tracked them down. They formed the source for the published German language edition. The complete set of published diaries, by the way, is seriously huge (29 fat volumes).
Various bits of it have been translated into English and published in the US and the UK. If I were the translator, and anyone wanted to lift chunks out of the English language edition, representing several years' of my work, for free, I'd certainly be seeking out m'learned friends. As to the copyright owner of the German language edition, it seems to have been commissioned by the German government because of its enormous historical wealth of inside reports on meetings, conferences, conversations, and so on. It sounds like a government to government deal to me (Germany-Russia) but details are obscure. Oddly enough, according to Mr Wiki and Mr Pedia, sections of his diaries were published in English well before that, from the surviving actual books, a very incomplete set, which had been stored in the Reich Chancellery and captured as well. So while the legal copyright holder of the German text is obscure, but almost certainly Government, the translators have a perfectly valid and proper reason to beef if a large percentage of the projected book is, as some seem to think, extracts from the translations. (After all, the English language translation copyrights do not expire for many years yet.) There's no doubt that the diaries are of great value to historians and researchers of the Nazi period. But they are never going to be best-sellers and make anyone a fortune in royalties. More than likely the main return to owners and translators is the payments for extracts. Very interesting debate so far, anyway. |
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