Sigil 0.7.2 is deprecated?

Gregg Bell · 03-26-2014, 02:35 PM

I've been trying to get 0.7.2 because that's what I'm familiar with (I'm sure I can live with 0.7.4 though), and now in my attempts to get it I've come across that (see screenshot) it's deprecated. So should I be looking to get 0.7.4 or maybe I should be abandoning Sigil altogether for Calibre's "Edit E-book" because 0.7.4 will soon be deprecated?

mrmikel · 03-26-2014, 02:43 PM

Deprecated by whom???

Calibre editor is getting greater each week, but it lacks clips (which can be replaced by Phrase Express or other macro program) and no spell checker which is pretty necessary in finding content errors, as opposed to coding errors.

Much of the difficulty has to do with non-breaking spaces which is not so important for a novelist. As long as it works and as long as you can do backups frequently, stay with it for now.

I have generally switched over to the calibre editor, but since I am transcribing an PDF, now that I am nearly done I have come back to Sigil, hoping I lose nothing in translation for the spellcheck and capitalization features.

$5 for what it is worth, $5 since 2 cents isn't worth a plugged nickel anymore!

theducks · 03-26-2014, 04:57 PM

There is not much Used To, it is still 7.X

The big number is the Big change (and that was not that much as far as the UI went, even from 6 to 7. Just More... in 7 )

Gregg Bell · 03-27-2014, 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmikel

Deprecated by whom???

Calibre editor is getting greater each week, but it lacks clips (which can be replaced by Phrase Express or other macro program) and no spell checker which is pretty necessary in finding content errors, as opposed to coding errors.

Much of the difficulty has to do with non-breaking spaces which is not so important for a novelist. As long as it works and as long as you can do backups frequently, stay with it for now.

I have generally switched over to the calibre editor, but since I am transcribing an PDF, now that I am nearly done I have come back to Sigil, hoping I lose nothing in translation for the spellcheck and capitalization features.

$5 for what it is worth, $5 since 2 cents isn't worth a plugged nickel anymore!

Thanks mrmikel. I was just comparing Sigil and the Calibre Editor. Sigil's lines are so much cleaner looking. By comparison Calibre Editor's text looks bunched together. I like much about the Calibre Editor's features,but I'm still leaning toward Sigil. Although I still can't get Sigil on my other Linux computer, so I may have to use the Calibre Editor. I'm sure they'll both do nicely ultimately.

Here's the deprecated screenshot.

P.S. any suggestions on getting Sigil? (Nobody seems to know.)

Gregg Bell · 03-27-2014, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

There is not much Used To, it is still 7.X

The big number is the Big change (and that was not that much as far as the UI went, even from 6 to 7. Just More... in 7 )

So 0.7.2 being deprecated just means 0.7.4 is recommended instead?

Toxaris · 03-27-2014, 06:07 AM

What it means, is that support (aka changes) are only done on the latest branch and not older releases. However, I still work with 0.7.2 without issues as it fits my work pattern better and I don't need/like the new features in 0.7.3/0.7.4.

The best you can do is just compile Sigil yourself I guess. I know I installed it on my Linux Mint machine some time ago and it was not that complicated for me.

mrmikel · 03-27-2014, 06:26 AM

It is really a matter of preference and the level of editing required.

The more heavily you format and the more complicated the formatting, the more the calibre editor is useful to me. This is because the results of the formatting is immediately visible in the preview window. If I do something that ought to work and it doesn't I can immediately correct it. Also I can undo and revert to hearts content from going where no editor ought have gone, before or after!

Gregg, your work is mostly completed in a word processor and you are just making an adjustment here and there. The wide open screen of Sigil is more pleasant for that.

The deprecated note is silly since 7.2 and 7.4 are maintained the same these days, not at all.

theducks · 03-27-2014, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregg Bell

So 0.7.2 being deprecated just means 0.7.4 is recommended instead?

7.4 is just enhancements / bug fixes to 7.2
With normal software, you don't keep older versions on a branch 'Active'

Simple answer: Unless there is a known bug/incompatibility in 7.4 that impacts your use, use the latest on the branch

Over to Calibre.
1 absolute reason to use the Calibre editor is if you are combining input that used a folder structure per section (and the files within used the same names as contained other source folders).
In Sigil, the files get removed from any folders and flattened into Sigils:Text,Images,Styles.

An unholy mess is the result (the last source file with that name is all there is left) eg.
P01folder
Part01.html

Chapter01.html (will be lost)

p02folder
Part02.html

Chapter01.html

mrmikel · 03-27-2014, 12:47 PM

For Sigil, there's the right way, the wrong way and the Sigil way. It is always the same, so it is easy to deal with...unless you have theducks situation.

Calibre doesn't care what the structure is and doesn't change it. That can mean a little less handholding and doing for you if it is only a small mess instead of a big mess.

I agree in general about using the latest version, but handling the non-breaking spaces bounced sort of back and forth. Sigil also doesn't show invisible characters at all. At least in calibre, you can cursor along and see what is there and with some effort fiddle with them. Sigil treats them as if they don't exist.

This is mostly fine until you import some web page junk. Then it can become an issue.

Gregg Bell · 03-27-2014, 08:02 PM

Thanks for the great explanations, guys. Now I know what's going on. And my needs are nowhere near as sophisticated as yours. And I LIKE Sigil and I know how to make ebooks with it. Right now Calibre's Editor is just like a text editor to me. How to go about making chapters and headings and tocs, well, I'm sure it can be done there, but I will have to learn the process all over again. Your feedback makes my decisions much easier though. Appreciate it greatly.

eschwartz · 03-27-2014, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregg Bell

Thanks for the great explanations, guys. Now I know what's going on. And my needs are nowhere near as sophisticated as yours. And I LIKE Sigil and I know how to make ebooks with it. Right now Calibre's Editor is just like a text editor to me. How to go about making chapters and headings and tocs, well, I'm sure it can be done there, but I will have to learn the process all over again. Your feedback makes my decisions much easier though. Appreciate it greatly.

Just because there are new/updated tools doesn't mean the old ones stopped working the way they used to!

exaltedwombat · 03-28-2014, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmikel

Sigil also doesn't show invisible characters at all.

Sure it does. Unless you're taking the peculiarly futile route of trying to edit in Page View.

DiapDealer · 04-01-2014, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exaltedwombat

Sure it does. Unless you're taking the peculiarly futile route of trying to edit in Page View.

No. Even in code view, characters (characters, mind you, not entities) like the soft-hyphen are completely invisible.

03-26-2014, 02:35 PM	#1
Gregg Bell Gregg Bell Posts: 2,264 Karma: 3917588 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Itasca, Illinois Device: Kindle Touch 7, Sony PRS300, Fire HD8 Tablet	Sigil 0.7.2 is deprecated? I've been trying to get 0.7.2 because that's what I'm familiar with (I'm sure I can live with 0.7.4 though), and now in my attempts to get it I've come across that (see screenshot) it's deprecated. So should I be looking to get 0.7.4 or maybe I should be abandoning Sigil altogether for Calibre's "Edit E-book" because 0.7.4 will soon be deprecated?

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03-26-2014, 02:43 PM	#2
mrmikel Color me gone Posts: 2,089 Karma: 1445295 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Oregon Coast Device: PRS-300	Deprecated by whom??? Calibre editor is getting greater each week, but it lacks clips (which can be replaced by Phrase Express or other macro program) and no spell checker which is pretty necessary in finding content errors, as opposed to coding errors. Much of the difficulty has to do with non-breaking spaces which is not so important for a novelist. As long as it works and as long as you can do backups frequently, stay with it for now. I have generally switched over to the calibre editor, but since I am transcribing an PDF, now that I am nearly done I have come back to Sigil, hoping I lose nothing in translation for the spellcheck and capitalization features. $5 for what it is worth, $5 since 2 cents isn't worth a plugged nickel anymore!

03-26-2014, 04:57 PM	#3
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 29,782 Karma: 54830978 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	There is not much Used To, it is still 7.X The big number is the Big change (and that was not that much as far as the UI went, even from 6 to 7. Just More... in 7 )

03-27-2014, 06:07 AM	#6
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 121692313 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-T1, Kobo Touch, Kobo Aura	What it means, is that support (aka changes) are only done on the latest branch and not older releases. However, I still work with 0.7.2 without issues as it fits my work pattern better and I don't need/like the new features in 0.7.3/0.7.4. The best you can do is just compile Sigil yourself I guess. I know I installed it on my Linux Mint machine some time ago and it was not that complicated for me.

03-27-2014, 06:26 AM	#7
mrmikel Color me gone Posts: 2,089 Karma: 1445295 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Oregon Coast Device: PRS-300	It is really a matter of preference and the level of editing required. The more heavily you format and the more complicated the formatting, the more the calibre editor is useful to me. This is because the results of the formatting is immediately visible in the preview window. If I do something that ought to work and it doesn't I can immediately correct it. Also I can undo and revert to hearts content from going where no editor ought have gone, before or after! Gregg, your work is mostly completed in a word processor and you are just making an adjustment here and there. The wide open screen of Sigil is more pleasant for that. The deprecated note is silly since 7.2 and 7.4 are maintained the same these days, not at all.

03-27-2014, 12:47 PM	#9
mrmikel Color me gone Posts: 2,089 Karma: 1445295 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Oregon Coast Device: PRS-300	For Sigil, there's the right way, the wrong way and the Sigil way. It is always the same, so it is easy to deal with...unless you have theducks situation. Calibre doesn't care what the structure is and doesn't change it. That can mean a little less handholding and doing for you if it is only a small mess instead of a big mess. I agree in general about using the latest version, but handling the non-breaking spaces bounced sort of back and forth. Sigil also doesn't show invisible characters at all. At least in calibre, you can cursor along and see what is there and with some effort fiddle with them. Sigil treats them as if they don't exist. This is mostly fine until you import some web page junk. Then it can become an issue.

03-27-2014, 08:02 PM	#10
Gregg Bell Gregg Bell Posts: 2,264 Karma: 3917588 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Itasca, Illinois Device: Kindle Touch 7, Sony PRS300, Fire HD8 Tablet	Thanks for the great explanations, guys. Now I know what's going on. And my needs are nowhere near as sophisticated as yours. And I LIKE Sigil and I know how to make ebooks with it. Right now Calibre's Editor is just like a text editor to me. How to go about making chapters and headings and tocs, well, I'm sure it can be done there, but I will have to learn the process all over again. Your feedback makes my decisions much easier though. Appreciate it greatly.

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