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View Poll Results: What opinion do you have for/against Watermarks as opposed to full-scale DRMs | |||
Both are equally BAD. | 38 | 25.68% | |
Watermark is better than DRMs. | 108 | 72.97% | |
DRMs is better than Watermark. | 1 | 0.68% | |
Both are equally GOOD | 1 | 0.68% | |
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10-02-2012, 12:53 AM | #91 |
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Who said anything about personal account info? We were talking about an ID that can be traced back to the buyer. And seriously, what kind of people.are you loaning your books to? The point is that it should be a very small circle of family and the best, most trustworthy friends, only.
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10-02-2012, 06:59 AM | #92 |
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I see a problem with that. I just fail to see how watermarking would make that sort of thing any more likely to happen than it already (always) is.
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10-02-2012, 07:22 AM | #93 |
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The problem I see with watermarking, is when someone has their ebooks stolen without their knowledge.
Someone hacks your amazon account, B&N account or any other store account and downloads a copy of the book with your information in it. Since they used your user/pass you're the one fingered unless the IP used comes from some obscure place like china, but then, maybe you were using a proxy, prove otherwise. There's numerous other ways too. Email that you sent a book to your kindle via gets hacked (that happens quite frequently and it's not always down to a mistake the owner of the email account made such as having malware on their device). Of course I'm assuming the person involved is after much more than just your ebooks, it'd be rather unlikely for someone to do this just to get a few books to upload, but as a "bonus" for their efforts, I could see it occurring. In all those cases, the time/cost to prove you didn't do it would be quite a burden. Likely involving turning over every device you own for investigation and that would only prove you didn't use those devices. Plus, who's going to do that investigation, since it's not really a police matter, but a court matter. What is more realistic, is some people will be innocently fined and will just pay up and never buy digital products again. All that said, I still favour watermarks over encrypted DRM because it's a step closer to no DRM. Only a step mind and in some ways it's a misstep. |
10-02-2012, 08:35 AM | #94 | |
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I am not in the habit of loaning my books to anyone. But mistakes can be made in computerized systems. Or I might lose my e-reader, or my backup drive. Or if I do make a copy of a book for someone, that other person might make a copy for a friend, who makes a copy for a friend, who makes a copy for a friend ... and someone down the chain might either upload it or lose his e-reader, and then what? I'm going to be targeted for making my single copy? What about a library book? Suppose the watermark shows the uploaded book came from your public library. Is the library going to have to release records on borrowers? Suppose you're one of the borrowers? |
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I guess what bothers me is that watermarking seems much more benign than the current DRM, but it really might not be. |
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10-02-2012, 02:22 PM | #98 |
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Yep, but when you remove the DRM, and unless you've modified the available tools, you don't remove the identifying information contained...
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10-02-2012, 03:14 PM | #99 | |
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I'm less offended at books with encrypted DRM when the price is free or next to nothing, yet somehow don't feel ripped off buying a book for as much as $10 that is sold without encrypted DRM. All of the downfalls with watermarking have a smaller chance of happening to me, but would be equally as horrifying if they did. So I may "change" my answer somewhat to "both are equally bad". My main answer is I just want to have incentive to buy stuff if I could be guaranteed to be left the heck alone after the transaction is made. |
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10-02-2012, 03:29 PM | #100 |
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So you're telling me that all the books on the file-sharing sites and in the torrents have identifiying information that can be traced back to individual sources? Then why aren't the publishers/authors going after those specific individuals?
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Amazon's privacy policy says: We release account and other personal information when we believe release is appropriate to comply with the law; enforce or apply our Conditions of Use and other agreements; or protect the rights, property, or safety of Amazon.com, our users, or others. This includes exchanging information with other companies and organizations for fraud protection and credit risk reduction. Emphasis added. "Protect the rights or safety of others" is a broad category. That means Amazon can share your personal purchase history and whatever other data they have, if they say it was for the purpose of ending fraud or protecting someone's rights. They certainly *don't* say that they only release personal data after a subpoena or other official legal order. Quote:
Stripped-DRM ebooks may-or-may-not have identifying data in them. It depends on the exact method used to place the DRM, and the method used to remove it... and whether and how the file has been altered after that. Some metadata will remain through multiple conversions; other is lost after a single shift. But for user security, there is no difference between a DRM'd file and a watermarked file; if you don't know what info the seller is putting into the file, you don't know what info remains while you're using it. |
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10-02-2012, 04:26 PM | #102 |
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Exactly. Same sh!t but with the ability to easily transfer it to any device you want to read it on (and maybe even let your sister read it) without having to download potentially elicit software from potentially law-breaking programmers. In other words... better.
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+1 on both the last posts
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10-03-2012, 07:51 AM | #105 | |
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Also consider, you can use a kindle and buy books for years without ever logging in and looking at what devices you have registered if you're buying from the device itself. Not saying it's likely, in fact I find it rather unlikely, but it's a possibility and that does mean someone could be receiving hefty fines when they've done no wrong. Last edited by JoeD; 10-03-2012 at 08:02 AM. |
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