Problem Generating Toc - Page 3

DiapDealer · 10-02-2016, 07:15 AM

Less Amazon, KDP, and/or Look Inside discussion please and more Sigil. Sigil allows anyone to create epubs as semantically or unsemantically as they like. The reasons why anyone would lean toward one or the other when creating Kindlebooks is not--itself--relevant to Sigil.

JSWolf · 10-02-2016, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Notjohn

And of course there's still a subset of books that open at the cover. So Amazon isn't even being consistent in its New Look.

So how do you get a Kindle eBook to open at the cover?

DiapDealer · 10-02-2016, 10:47 AM

Stop this. It's not relevant. You're talking apples (kindle devices/apps) and he's talking oranges (the Look Inside feature on Amazon's website). And none of it has a single thing to do with Sigil (banannas) - the epub editor - and its ability to create/generate/edit TOCs (the thread topic).

theducks · 10-02-2016, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

So how do you get a Kindle eBook to open at the cover?

You don't. Which is why many people put the 'Cover' in their TOC

This thread just made me aware there was a (NCX) TOC edit.
Using that to supplement the Tag Generated makes tasks getting around these manufacturer quirks

easy

DiapDealer · 10-02-2016, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by theducks

This thread just made me aware there was a (NCX) TOC edit.

I'm getting the distinct impression that there are many in that same boat.

It was added in the feature explosion of v0.7.0 (and is mentioned in the outdated documentation). In the name of thoroughness: the Generate TOC and the Edit TOC tools modify the NCX when editing EPUB2s, and modify the NAV document when editing EPUB3s.

JSWolf · 10-02-2016, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

I'm getting the distinct impression that there are many in that same boat.

It was added in the feature explosion of v0.7.0 (and is mentioned in the outdated documentation). In the name of thoroughness: the Generate TOC and the Edit TOC tools modify the NCX when editing EPUB2s, and modify the NAV document when editing EPUB3s.

Why isn't the NCX also modified in an ePub 3 that's trying to keep backwards comparability?

DiapDealer · 10-02-2016, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Why isn't the NCX also modified in an ePub 3 that's trying to keep backwards comparability?

Because the NCX isn't required in an EPUB3 and the NAV document is. But because we think backward compatibility IS important, there's also an EPUB3-only tool to generate the NCX from the current NAV document.

JSWolf · 10-02-2016, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Because the NCX isn't required in an EPUB3 and the NAV document is. But because we think backward compatibility IS important, there's also an EPUB3-only tool to generate the NCX from the current NAV document.

I think ePub 3 that uses no features specific to ePub 3 (that cannot be done in ePub 2) should be made as ePub 2.

DiapDealer · 10-02-2016, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

I think ePub 3 that uses no features specific to ePub 3 (that cannot be done in ePub 2) should be made as ePub 2.

You just couldn't help yourself, could you?

Please take your anti-epub3 crusade somewhere else. It's not relevant to any current Sigil topic.

Hitch · 10-02-2016, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

You just couldn't help yourself, could you?

Please take your anti-epub3 crusade somewhere else. It's not relevant to any current Sigil topic.

I've changed my mind. May I rebut, even though it's an Amazon LITB issue? Oh mighty Green one, and Keeper of the Sigil Flame?

Hitch

DiapDealer · 10-02-2016, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitch

I've changed my mind. May I rebut, even though it's an Amazon LITB issue? Oh mighty Green one, and Keeper of the Sigil Flame?

Hitch

I'll allow a one-post rebuttal. But then it's right back to Sigil and TOCs, dang it.

Hitch · 10-02-2016, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

I'll allow a one-post rebuttal. But then it's right back to Sigil and TOCs, dang it.

FYI, a good amount of my rebuttal is about Sigil and TOC generation, and best practices. Scout's honor. Hell, it may not even be today, but...to quote Ahrnee, "Uh'll be beck."

Hitch

slowsmile · 10-03-2016, 06:48 AM

JSWolfe said:
So how do you get a Kindle eBook to open at the cover?

Truth is, where your ebook opens is entirely at the whim of Kindle's device software. So why worry about this -- You can't really control it. And I don't know why people always bleat and moan about this. You want to see the Cover, Title or Chapter 1 in your Kindle ebook -- then click on the Go To menu dropdown, click on Table of Contents and make your choice. Or just use the Device TOC. What's so hard about that?

10-03-2016, 06:48 AM	#43
slowsmile Witchman Posts: 628 Karma: 788808 Join Date: May 2013 Location: Philippines Device: Android S5	JSWolfe said: So how do you get a Kindle eBook to open at the cover? Truth is, where your ebook opens is entirely at the whim of Kindle's device software. So why worry about this -- You can't really control it. And I don't know why people always bleat and moan about this. You want to see the Cover, Title or Chapter 1 in your Kindle ebook -- then click on the Go To menu dropdown, click on Table of Contents and make your choice. Or just use the Device TOC. What's so hard about that? Last edited by slowsmile; 10-03-2016 at 07:43 AM.

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10-02-2016, 07:15 AM	#31
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 27,572 Karma: 193191846 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	Less Amazon, KDP, and/or Look Inside discussion please and more Sigil. Sigil allows anyone to create epubs as semantically or unsemantically as they like. The reasons why anyone would lean toward one or the other when creating Kindlebooks is not--itself--relevant to Sigil.

10-02-2016, 10:47 AM	#33
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 27,572 Karma: 193191846 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	Stop this. It's not relevant. You're talking apples (kindle devices/apps) and he's talking oranges (the Look Inside feature on Amazon's website). And none of it has a single thing to do with Sigil (banannas) - the epub editor - and its ability to create/generate/edit TOCs (the thread topic).

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