06-08-2012, 07:20 AM | #31 |
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It's only going to get worse until companies start to require explicit permission for everything the app does when it comes to accessing other data on the phone, location info and especially sending any of that back to a server. Followed by the possibility of fines for abuses of that (i.e sending data without asking permission, or sending unrelated/none essential data). It's no longer just malware apps you've to worry about, but apps from all companies who are willing to breach privacy to gain an advantage, especially for targeted advertising.
I think we'll reach a point not too far in the future where all app makers have to explicitly lay out on their website every bit of data their app collects and transmits back to their servers + the reason for it. Then any "extra" data that is sent would result in fines if it's believed to be a privacy violation as the user has not consented to it. I won't use Microsoft's zune store on the windows phone because their EULA states that using it requires various services to be enabled so MS can send usage data back to their servers (one of which is location services). There's no way to opt-out of that unlike with most apps. I don't want them sending anything other than absolutely essential data to their servers (such as the name of the app/music I'm searching for), there's a reason I have location services off by default and no way I'll turn it on just to use their zune app. |
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That's actually a very good point. I really do wonder how employers working with confidential or classified information will react to employees using apps that allow third parties to monitor their behaviour (or even just location) without their knowledge.
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I work in an environment dealing with classified information, and it doesn't go anywhere near mobile devices.
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06-09-2012, 12:40 AM | #36 |
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Well, I rather doubt someone who would be trusted to work with classified information would have that sort of thing on their phone (though I thought that about them not simply losing laptops and flashdrives full of classified data too) but a lot can be gleaned just from which people are at which places at which times.
e.g. noting that a lot of the people who travel to $CLASSIFIED_LOCATION also seem to stop by $INTERESTING_OTHER_PLACE regularly is valuable all by itself, along with the identities of other people who also go there. All it needs is for people to carry a trackable mobile device in their car and a compliant advertiser. ... I think years of reading about security and the data trails we leave without realising it has warped my brain; now I'm wondering how many red flags I've set off |
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Getting away from mundane ads and super spy stuff, there are other worries about what mischief these ID cookies might cause. For example someone might be able to identify and gather information on a person through the associations of the magic cookie and social media. Then far worse than targeted ads would be:
1. the theft of passwords, IDs to use for online theft 2. blackmail because the device user frequents places of ill repute. For example the identity of the target has been established through cookies. It has been established that the Facebook of the target is big on church, marriage and children. Then cross referencing determines that the target frequents gambline, porn or alternative sex sites. Even worse. kiddie porn. Blackmail is very possible. |
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Until very recently cameras were outlawed, but security came to the conclusion that they simply can't keep all the cellphones with built in cameras out of the building, so they caved. Certain areas, however are still off limits for phones. |
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Returning to the original point, even if you leave your phone/tablet in the car, hostiles can still determine "this phone spends every work day stationary at a secure location, thus the owner is of interest."
To avoid this you'd need to leave your phone at home, not merely leave it outside work. |
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This sort of thing has happened over and over again in the history of computers: the facilities are put into place, most people don't care, so the industry has been sliding down the slope to zero privacy. |
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