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The buzzword part has been my impression as well. Kind of a "let's shift the problem to buzz, buzz" rather than, 'let's examine what the article says, how it says it and how it might have been interpreted...and is that what I really meant to say.
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Many women are sick and tired of being objectified as a default position. The Red Sonja cover illustration wasn't aimed at women saying "you could be like this in your fantasies" it was appealing to male fantasies. Semi-nude muscular men aren't necessarily there to appeal to female fantasies, they're there to appeal to male readers' power fantasies. Women have been property, or seen as property, for centuries. Can you blame us if some of us get sick of that, and insist on being seen as *people*? |
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I thought SFWA VP Rachel Swirsky's gender flip take on Resnick and Malzberg's "lady editor" was quite humorous (as well as poignant).
http://rachelswirsky.com/2013/06/a-b...s-and-editors/ |
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It's funny that there's more concern in this thread over someone finding the posted cover offensive, but seemingly unconcerned that an issue of the magazine had an article praising Barbie for maintaining "quiet dignity the way a woman should," in response to reader comments about that cover. Last edited by Ninjalawyer; 06-06-2013 at 11:28 PM. |
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And let's not pretend that the anti-sexist folks in SFWA are some sort of tiny, loud minority. This is an organisation that currently has as president John Scalzi, a vocal feminist, and whose incoming president is Rachel Swirsky. |
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Slight correction: Swirsky is the VP. Stephen Gould is the new incoming president.
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I'm not finding all the associated text of these articles, only the last one with all the censorship blah blah in it. I can only see choice quotes for the other two. The Barbie thing is a bit surreal - like something one would say as a kind of twisted joke, and I would have liked to have seen it in the context of the article itself. Is it just that I've missed the appropriate links for this stuff? Of course the last article is all there in its intended glory. I confess that after a couple of pages I was tired of reading it. I don't think that's a column I would enjoy regardless of topic; the format is tedious. |
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- I don't think anyone is saying that women authors or readers can't be sexist against men or women. The fact that there are sexist women doesn't mean that sexism by the other gender suddenly becomes okay. -There is a double-standard between men and women when it comes to depictions of scantily clad people. However, that's a reasonable response to the fact that there has been a long history in the West of treating women as second class people. If I post a picture of a black person picking cotton while being whipped by a white person, I think people may be justified in being more upset by that then if I posted the same picture with the races swapped. There's no point in pretending that these concerns are happening in a history-vacuum. Again though, this is all a sideshow. SFWA posted a cover that some readers found sexist and complained and then a couple of editors went out of their way to make comments that were clearly sexist. No one is claiming a right to not be offended, but they are claiming a right to complain vocally about something they don't like. |
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