Conversion to Kindle Fire Document

kjkw · 02-17-2012, 12:08 PM

I have a Kindle Fire and I want my mobi books to appear on the Documents shelf rather than on the Books shelf. That's how I keep my books separate from my wife's.

1) I do a Calibre mobi to mobi conversion, making sure that [PDOC] appears in the Personal Doc tag field.
2) I copy the new mobi file from my computer to the Fire's Documents folder via USB
3) I reboot the Fire

The end result is that the mobi file is in the Documents folder, but the book appears on the Books shelf, not on the Documents shelf.

I know that I can accomplish what I want by emailing the book to the Fire, but I want to be able to do it via USB. Is there something more that I can do with Calibre to get these books to appear on the Documents shelf rather than on the Books shelf? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Ken

kovidgoyal · 02-17-2012, 12:39 PM

Add [PDOC] to the tags of the book in calibre before sending it to the fire.

kjkw · 02-17-2012, 01:15 PM

Thanks, but it didn't work. I now have [PDOC] in the Tags field of the Edit Metadata screen and in the Personal Doc Tag field of the MOBI Output screen. After deleting the previous version from the Fire and doing another mobi to mobi conversion, when the new version is transferred to the Documents folder of the Fire the book still appears on the Books shelf and not on the Documents shelf.

kovidgoyal · 02-17-2012, 10:05 PM

Then, I'm at a loss. Not possessing the fire, I can't help you any more.

kjkw · 02-17-2012, 10:18 PM

Thanks for your attempt, and for creating Calibre.

wallcraft · 02-17-2012, 10:35 PM

I have [PDOC] as the Personal Doc tag in Preferences -> Output Options -> MOBI Output, but my Calibre-created MOBIs always show up in Books on the Fire (and so presumably do not have PDOC set). This is what I want, but was never sure why this happens until searching the Forums just now.

I always use Bulk Convert (and I start from ePubs that were previously created with the command line ebook-convert, more often than not from a MOBI), and itimpi says this probably turns off PDOC in PDOC tag different for bulk and individual. So are you using Bulk convert? If so, try Convert individually or try unchecking Use saved conversion settings under Bulk convert.

kjkw · 02-18-2012, 10:09 AM

Thanks for the suggestion. I've been using individual convert, and I've tried both [PDOC] and PDOC (without the brackets). Nothing seems to work. Everything appears on the Books shelf.

silverpublish · 02-18-2012, 11:00 AM

The reason that is happening is that you are converting mobi to mobi. The actual kindle format isn't mobi. It's only ONE of the formats they allow. The actual format is azw. That's where the difference comes in.

I'm wanting the azw format conversion myself. It would be awesome to have!

kjkw · 02-18-2012, 11:27 AM

And mobi books that are sent to the Fire via email are in prc format. I've tried changing the mobi extension to azw and also to prc before the USB transfer to the documents folder. In both cases, the books work fine, but they still appear on the Books shelf.

kovidgoyal · 02-18-2012, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverpublish

I'm wanting the azw format conversion myself. It would be awesome to have!

MOBI and AZW are *identical*.

wallcraft · 02-18-2012, 01:17 PM

I have been unable to get the PDOC tag set using Calibre (the latest 0.8.40).

I imported Dickens, Charles: The Pickwick Papers (Illustrated). v6. 16th Oct 2009, which is a PRC file.

I have the Page Setup import profile set to MobiPocket Books and the output profile set to Kindle (I have also tried Kindle Fire), and the MOBI output Personal Doc tag: set to [PDOC]. I Individually converted to MOBI and saved to disk. When I look at the output using mobi2mobi I get:

Code:

EXTH    item: 501 - CDEContentType - 4 - EBOK

I also tried bulk convert after unchecking "Used saved conversion" and I still get EBOK.

When I transfer this ebook to my Fire via Calibre's send to device, it shows up under Books and it still has EBOK.

I have seen posts that report Calibre ebooks ending up under Docs (not Books) on the Fire, and this was because PDOC was set. So this works for some, but it isn't working for me.

Buy the way, so far as I can tell it isn't that PDOC is required to appear under Docs, but rather that EBOK is required to appear under Books. In particular MOBI/PRC ebooks with no 501 EXTH at all are in Docs as is a "PSNL" (personal letter?) welcome document.

kovidgoyal · 02-18-2012, 01:22 PM

The setting of PDOC happens only when exporting from the calibre library via send to device or save to disk (i.e. when metadata is written to the file being transferred). It does not happen on conversion.

Just to be clear: you have [PDOC] in the setting *and* [PDOC] as a tag for the book you want marked as PDOC?

kjkw · 02-18-2012, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wallcraft

I have seen posts that report Calibre ebooks ending up under Docs (not Books) on the Fire, and this was because PDOC was set. So this works for some, but it isn't working for me.

Yes, a discussion of that can be found here ...

http://www.amazon.com/forum/kindle/r...TxNYELM6OT759L

Quite puzzling.

wallcraft · 02-18-2012, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

Just to be clear: you have [PDOC] in the setting *and* [PDOC] as a tag for the book you want marked as PDOC?

That was my problem. I did not have [PDOC] set as a tag. I misunderstood what "Personal Doc tag" means (obviously, set this tag to get a personal doc).

If this field is blank (no tag) do all ebooks have PDOC set?

kovidgoyal · 02-18-2012, 01:49 PM

I dont think so, iirc, if and only if it is non blank and the book has the specified value does your document get the pdoc set.

02-17-2012, 12:08 PM	#1
kjkw Ken Posts: 18 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: USA Device: Kindle Fire	Conversion to Kindle Fire Document I have a Kindle Fire and I want my mobi books to appear on the Documents shelf rather than on the Books shelf. That's how I keep my books separate from my wife's. 1) I do a Calibre mobi to mobi conversion, making sure that [PDOC] appears in the Personal Doc tag field. 2) I copy the new mobi file from my computer to the Fire's Documents folder via USB 3) I reboot the Fire The end result is that the mobi file is in the Documents folder, but the book appears on the Books shelf, not on the Documents shelf. I know that I can accomplish what I want by emailing the book to the Fire, but I want to be able to do it via USB. Is there something more that I can do with Calibre to get these books to appear on the Documents shelf rather than on the Books shelf? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks. Ken

02-17-2012, 10:35 PM	#6
wallcraft reader Posts: 6,975 Karma: 5183568 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mississippi, USA Device: Kindle 3, Kobo Glo HD	I have [PDOC] as the Personal Doc tag in Preferences -> Output Options -> MOBI Output, but my Calibre-created MOBIs always show up in Books on the Fire (and so presumably do not have PDOC set). This is what I want, but was never sure why this happens until searching the Forums just now. I always use Bulk Convert (and I start from ePubs that were previously created with the command line ebook-convert, more often than not from a MOBI), and itimpi says this probably turns off PDOC in PDOC tag different for bulk and individual. So are you using Bulk convert? If so, try Convert individually or try unchecking Use saved conversion settings under Bulk convert. Last edited by wallcraft; 02-17-2012 at 10:40 PM.

02-18-2012, 01:17 PM	#11
wallcraft reader Posts: 6,975 Karma: 5183568 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mississippi, USA Device: Kindle 3, Kobo Glo HD	I have been unable to get the PDOC tag set using Calibre (the latest 0.8.40). I imported Dickens, Charles: The Pickwick Papers (Illustrated). v6. 16th Oct 2009, which is a PRC file. I have the Page Setup import profile set to MobiPocket Books and the output profile set to Kindle (I have also tried Kindle Fire), and the MOBI output Personal Doc tag: set to [PDOC]. I Individually converted to MOBI and saved to disk. When I look at the output using mobi2mobi I get: Code: EXTH item: 501 - CDEContentType - 4 - EBOK I also tried bulk convert after unchecking "Used saved conversion" and I still get EBOK. When I transfer this ebook to my Fire via Calibre's send to device, it shows up under Books and it still has EBOK. I have seen posts that report Calibre ebooks ending up under Docs (not Books) on the Fire, and this was because PDOC was set. So this works for some, but it isn't working for me. Buy the way, so far as I can tell it isn't that PDOC is required to appear under Docs, but rather that EBOK is required to appear under Books. In particular MOBI/PRC ebooks with no 501 EXTH at all are in Docs as is a "PSNL" (personal letter?) welcome document. Last edited by wallcraft; 02-18-2012 at 01:31 PM. Reason: EBOK vs PDOC

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02-17-2012, 12:39 PM	#2
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,843 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	Add [PDOC] to the tags of the book in calibre before sending it to the fire.

02-17-2012, 01:15 PM	#3
kjkw Ken Posts: 18 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: USA Device: Kindle Fire	Thanks, but it didn't work. I now have [PDOC] in the Tags field of the Edit Metadata screen and in the Personal Doc Tag field of the MOBI Output screen. After deleting the previous version from the Fire and doing another mobi to mobi conversion, when the new version is transferred to the Documents folder of the Fire the book still appears on the Books shelf and not on the Documents shelf.

02-17-2012, 10:05 PM	#4
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,843 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	Then, I'm at a loss. Not possessing the fire, I can't help you any more.

02-17-2012, 10:18 PM	#5
kjkw Ken Posts: 18 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: USA Device: Kindle Fire	Thanks for your attempt, and for creating Calibre.

02-18-2012, 10:09 AM	#7
kjkw Ken Posts: 18 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: USA Device: Kindle Fire	Thanks for the suggestion. I've been using individual convert, and I've tried both [PDOC] and PDOC (without the brackets). Nothing seems to work. Everything appears on the Books shelf.

02-18-2012, 11:00 AM	#8
silverpublish Junior Member Posts: 1 Karma: 10 Join Date: Feb 2012 Device: none	The reason that is happening is that you are converting mobi to mobi. The actual kindle format isn't mobi. It's only ONE of the formats they allow. The actual format is azw. That's where the difference comes in. I'm wanting the azw format conversion myself. It would be awesome to have!

02-18-2012, 11:27 AM	#9
kjkw Ken Posts: 18 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: USA Device: Kindle Fire	And mobi books that are sent to the Fire via email are in prc format. I've tried changing the mobi extension to azw and also to prc before the USB transfer to the documents folder. In both cases, the books work fine, but they still appear on the Books shelf.

02-18-2012, 01:22 PM	#12
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,843 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	The setting of PDOC happens only when exporting from the calibre library via send to device or save to disk (i.e. when metadata is written to the file being transferred). It does not happen on conversion. Just to be clear: you have [PDOC] in the setting and [PDOC] as a tag for the book you want marked as PDOC?

02-18-2012, 01:49 PM	#15
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,843 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	I dont think so, iirc, if and only if it is non blank and the book has the specified value does your document get the pdoc set.