03-20-2013, 06:08 PM | #16 | |
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Purchasing books == purchasing music Borrowing books from the library, or a hypothetical Netflix-for-books type subscription service == downloadable subscription music |
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03-21-2013, 04:11 AM | #17 |
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I still wait for the majority of booksellers to learn THAT lesson.
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03-21-2013, 04:54 AM | #18 |
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It has nothing to do with the booksellers; it's the publishers and authors. All ebook sites (to the best of my knowledge) allow DRM-free downloads; it's the submitter's choice whether or not to use DRM.
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03-21-2013, 05:07 AM | #19 |
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Yes the choice of words was unlucky: It's the publishers who sell the first time.
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03-21-2013, 04:31 PM | #20 | |
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applied to it no matter who is selling it? The DRM scams are tied to the book not to the book sellers, like Amazon and B&N? With the advent of the Adobe DRM, you could have a point, but the major book sellers are using "DRM" for their own purposes, and have a vested interest in promoting its use. Luck; Ken |
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03-21-2013, 05:38 PM | #21 |
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You're confusing Amazon/B&N the bookseller with Amazon/B&N the device manufacturer.
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03-21-2013, 07:28 PM | #22 | |
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The Sony store may still inflict DRM on all ebooks; Redshirts says it's sold w/o DRM but there's no way to tell from the website if that's true. (If it's not, that's an easy excuse to share drm-cracking software.) And the iBookstore has its own walled-garden issues. |
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03-21-2013, 08:35 PM | #23 | |
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be operating in a manner that they perceive will aid one of the other divisions. Or perhaps are directed to do so from on high. I don't see how they could perceive it (DRM) as being something that aids sales. Luck; Ken P.S.; That they are able to convince or incentivize Authors and Publishers to believe that they should have DRM "protection" for all their sales only makes the walls stronger. Last edited by Ken Maltby; 03-21-2013 at 08:40 PM. |
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03-21-2013, 09:00 PM | #24 |
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I'd really like to see some proof that they're doing this. Quotes from an author or publisher? Something. Publishers have insisted on DRM since the very beginning of commercial ebooks.
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03-21-2013, 09:26 PM | #25 | |
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Amazon has had the option to put DRM on/off for KDP authors (self pub) HOWEVER, we heard from various trad authors that they had no choice--now the rumor was varied, sometimes saying Amazon required it of publishers and sometimes it was said the publishers required it. My guess is that for quite some time (and possibly still today) one or both required it of traditionally published books. There are multiple ways to get a book loaded into Amazon--there are services that do it now so that a book can take advantage of "pre-released" purchases and can qualify for certain promotions. The author pays for these services (these same companies can get the ebook into libraries.) It's my understanding that when using the services, DRM is applied--but I don't know if that is Amazon's requirement or the service/publisher/author choice. Kobobooks has an option for it and so far as I know is the only retailer where you can change your mind. With B&N and Amazon if you elect to add DRM initially, you cannot ask to have it removed later. I believe the same is true if you select lendable/not lendable, but I'd have to verify that. Smashwords has never had it. AllRomance...I can't remember. I don't think they even have a selectable option so if they apply it, it's automatic. |
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03-21-2013, 09:43 PM | #26 | |
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Still it would be nice to see the requirements of these various places in writing somewhere. I don't doubt that it's been required, or at least no option for NOT having it was available, over the years but it's not required today at least not anywhere I can come up with (maybe some 3rd party distros do?). But my real question was with Ken's statement that "they" were doing something to "convince or incentivize" authors and publishers that they should use DRM. That's what I asked for some kind of info on as I've never heard or seen anything about this. What are they doing to convince folks? What incentives are they offering them? |
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03-21-2013, 10:12 PM | #27 | |
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I'm not much help on the incentive area. There are incentives for lending and a few other options (if you go exclusive I think you must allow lending--and I don't mean borrows. If you go exclusive, you get 70 percent commissions in some countries where you otherwise get 35) ...but I don't think I've ever seen any incentive for DRM. My impression from the way it is setup is that Amazon doesn't care one way or the other for KDP authors. There's a box, check it and live with it. I have never seen any emails or discussion on it from Amazon. They do send out emails and tweets regarding their exclusive program and how great it is, but nothing on DRM so far as I know. |
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03-22-2013, 11:20 AM | #28 |
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I am not for or against DRM. I am inclined to think it is necessary at present, but what do I know?
I don't see a lot of commercial success stories for publishers/vendors who have gone DRM free and the majority of the ones who use DRM seem to at least stay in business. I realise music venders have done okay without DRM, but I do not think most publishers will do it anytime soon. |
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Samhain Press, Dreamspinner, Angry Robot, and Wildside Press all seem to be doing fine. They're not big-name publishers, but they're actively growing. A company doesn't need to become a billion-dollar corporation--especially in the span of a handful of years--to be successful. Several of the mega-companies who use DRM just got slapped by the DOJ for collusion and price-fixing, because apparently their business model wasn't working well enough for them to be comfortable staying within the law. Quote:
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03-22-2013, 12:43 PM | #30 |
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Samhain seems to be flourishing as does Ellora's Cave. Possibly do to the fact that many of their customers don't email their books to their grandmothers and while some may want to reread these books zillion times I suspect most read and delete.
Wildside and Dream spinner seem pretty small to be considered a commercial success. Angry Robots should do well but I would not bet the farm on it. The question in my mind is are they more successful because of no DRM or in spite of it. Harlequin would do well with or without DRM but seem to feel they should have it although they do have a DRM free child company. My opinion is that the majority of the buying public is not overwhelmingly concerned with DRM and until they are more interested in sharing books than reading them things will not change. |
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