PC sales Suffer Biggest Slump in years - Page 8

jersysman · 04-13-2013, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by QuantumIguana

If you buy a pair of pants that doesn't have a button, people aren't going to care that they can go buy a button for 50 cents. They expect their pants to have a button.

^This!

cfrizz · 04-13-2013, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by QuantumIguana

If you buy a pair of pants that doesn't have a button, people aren't going to care that they can go buy a button for 50 cents. They expect their pants to have a button.

Bingo!

Also have we really gotten so impatient that we can't wait a few seconds for a pc to boot up? That's pretty sad.

I will ALWAYS have a pc because it is much easier for me to do everything I do with my pc in comfort. It is able to hold all of my programs, books, documents etc that no tablet will ever be able to do.

In a crunch I MIGHT look up something quick on the web with my SGP5 if I can find a wifi signal, but to use it constantly to browse the web is out of the question same thing with my N7. For reading books or listening to music these two items are great, but that's about it.

The tech has matured for pc's so there is no need to constantly upgrade them. My last pc before I got the one I'm using now back in 2010 was over 10 years old, I expect to have this one at least that long if not longer. It does everything I need it to do at a fast enough speed for me.

I think a lot of you base your opinions of the minority tech geeks and not your average user. Believe me there are more of us then there are of the geeks.

Teknikal · 04-13-2013, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by afv011

Out of curiosity, why do you need a dedicated graphics card? There are genuine uses for having one, but today's embedded graphics card are "good enough" for what most people do, including playing 1080p videos and casual gaming. Even my N10 can happily play 1080p.

My experience with Intel Graphics is their terrible but usually their hyped up as being able to handle newish games until you actually try, then your lucky to go ten minutes at a time before everything crashes not to mention you only get the very bareboned graphics and very poor frame rates.

I'd prefer to buy a PC with a decent card because as well as just being superior at games it means it has to have a half decent power supply which means you can change the card if you want, with the intel graphics systems your likely to blow the barebones power supply very quickly if you try and put a decent video card in there.

Basicly if I'm paying big money for a PC I want a decent PC not a Laptop in a big case.

BWinmill · 04-13-2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by QuantumIguana

If you buy a pair of pants that doesn't have a button, people aren't going to care that they can go buy a button for 50 cents. They expect their pants to have a button.

If the alternatives were to buy pants that cost twice as much (from the Apple Fashion Boutique), sew your own pants (after buying the bits and pieces from Penguin Fabrics), or running around naked ... I think people would choose to sew on that 50 cent button.

BWinmill · 04-13-2013, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Teknikal

My experience with Intel Graphics is their terrible but usually their hyped up as being able to handle newish games until you actually try, then your lucky to go ten minutes at a time before everything crashes not to mention you only get the very bareboned graphics and very poor frame rates.

It depends upon what you're using your computer for. Most people can get away with Intel video. That includes some game players, since there are a lot of games that aren't particularly demanding on the graphics card.

wizwor · 04-13-2013, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by QuantumIguana

If you buy a pair of pants that doesn't have a button, people aren't going to care that they can go buy a button for 50 cents. They expect their pants to have a button.

So, buy pants with a button. Don't buy pants with a zipper then demand the manufacturer retrofit the pants with buttons.

Teknikal · 04-13-2013, 02:15 PM

I'd say whoever sells pants without the button probably will go out of business and deservedly so, to me Windows 8 is a big step back in functionality and I find the Metro interface itself ugly I also see no reason at all for computers to have a touchscreen that's a compromise for mobile devices I don't want on my main PC.

Microsoft should have left the 7 desktop alone and not forced people to boot into Metro I'd personally rather wait an extra 30 seconds and get to a proper desktop.

QuantumIguana · 04-13-2013, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wizwor

So, buy pants with a button. Don't buy pants with a zipper then demand the manufacturer retrofit the pants with buttons.

I wasn't talking about a button-fly vs. a zipper. I was referring to the button at the at the top, which pants have whether they are button-fly or if they have a zipper.

That button is just something that people expect to have on a pair of pants. If a clothing manufacturer doesn't include that button, they don't have to, but they had better be prepared for a lot of dissatisfied customers.

HarryT · 04-13-2013, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by QuantumIguana

I wasn't talking about a button-fly vs. a zipper. I was referring to the button at the at the top, which pants have whether they are button-fly or if they have a zipper.

Purely as a matter of interest, I don't think any of the trousers I've bought in recent years have had a button; metal "hook and eye" type arrangements seem to be the norm in Britain at least, these days.

JD Gumby · 04-13-2013, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hidari

AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE??? I have seen quite a few posters complaining about no start button on windows 8 when you can get one for 5 dollars USD or some free alternatives:

Because having to pay a third party for basic functionality that SHOULD NOT have been removed in the first place (as a part of the campaign to force the Fisher-Price UI on people as much as possible) is a disgusting situation.

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Purely as a matter of interest, I don't think any of the trousers I've bought in recent years have had a button; metal "hook and eye" type arrangements seem to be the norm in Britain at least, these days.

We only get those on dress slacks (ie, formal trousers) over here, maybe on business-casual slacks (haven't worn those in 20 years, so can't remember :P).

HarryT · 04-13-2013, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JD Gumby

Because having to pay a third party for basic functionality that SHOULD NOT have been removed in the first place (as a part of the campaign to force the Fisher-Price UI on people as much as possible) is a disgusting situation.

These days I don't miss the "Start" menu at all. I far prefer the Win8 UI. The fact that one is used to something doesn't necessarily mean that it's always the best solution.

wizwor · 04-13-2013, 03:59 PM

That's crazy talk, Harry. I don't miss zippers much either. Well, except when we are winter camping. The button flys are drafty and the buttons hold the cold.

afv011 · 04-13-2013, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hidari

AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE??? I have seen quite a few posters complaining about no start button on windows 8 when you can get one for 5 dollars USD or some free alternatives:

http://www.networkworld.com/news/201...on-267616.html

So you can buy a 500 dollar notebook but will not pay 5 dollars USD for a start button or download a free program that will give you a windows 7 start up?

Windows 8 is better than 7 in my book and only need a bit of tweaking to get a start button on it.

The complains come from the paradigm shift. If you are working on the Desktop mode and want to open a new desktop app, it is now more convoluted (without putting back the start button) than it used to be. What's the rationale for making things more complicated?

So you're one of those saying that W8 is better than W7, yet you make W8 look like W7 by adding the start button. Nice.

afv011 · 04-13-2013, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Teknikal

My experience with Intel Graphics is their terrible but usually their hyped up as being able to handle newish games until you actually try, then your lucky to go ten minutes at a time before everything crashes not to mention you only get the very bareboned graphics and very poor frame rates.

When I built my PC I decided not to add a dedicated graphics card, I'm using the integrated one (HD 4000) and, given that I do not do gaming and most of what I do is software development and watching the odd movie at 1080p, it performs beautifully. It all depends on your needs, if you're going to do high end games, or photoshopping, you'll see a performance improvement by having a dedicated graphics card.

Ken Maltby · 04-13-2013, 05:11 PM

Another consideration in the graphics card department is the need, or lack of need, for
supporting technology. For instance a Home Theater PC might benefit form modern
3D display capabilities, not just the kind used in games. Some GPUs make some
processing power available for other functions, like transcoding or applying filters to
video.

One of the advantages the desktop PC has over a laptop or tablet is the ability to
adapt with changes to such components as needed or to take advantage of new
and improved tech.

Luck;
Ken

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04-13-2013, 02:15 PM	#112
Teknikal Fanatic Posts: 574 Karma: 5264318 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Belfast Device: Sony T1, Note Pro 12.2, Honor 10	I'd say whoever sells pants without the button probably will go out of business and deservedly so, to me Windows 8 is a big step back in functionality and I find the Metro interface itself ugly I also see no reason at all for computers to have a touchscreen that's a compromise for mobile devices I don't want on my main PC. Microsoft should have left the 7 desktop alone and not forced people to boot into Metro I'd personally rather wait an extra 30 seconds and get to a proper desktop.

04-13-2013, 03:59 PM	#117
wizwor Wizard Posts: 1,068 Karma: 23867385 Join Date: Nov 2011 Device: kindle, fire	That's crazy talk, Harry. I don't miss zippers much either. Well, except when we are winter camping. The button flys are drafty and the buttons hold the cold.

04-13-2013, 05:11 PM	#120
Ken Maltby Wizard Posts: 4,465 Karma: 6900052 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: The Heart of Texas Device: Boox Note2, AuraHD, PDA,	Another consideration in the graphics card department is the need, or lack of need, for supporting technology. For instance a Home Theater PC might benefit form modern 3D display capabilities, not just the kind used in games. Some GPUs make some processing power available for other functions, like transcoding or applying filters to video. One of the advantages the desktop PC has over a laptop or tablet is the ability to adapt with changes to such components as needed or to take advantage of new and improved tech. Luck; Ken

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