Wool in ePub? - Page 2

DiapDealer · 07-17-2012, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by StoryEnthusiast

So there's actually publisher producing ebooks in ePub? I didn't know that. So ePubl is not only for free ebooks.

Of course publishers are producing ePubs. That's what B&N, Sony, Kobo, etc... sells. Only one (major) retailer is selling MOBI ... a hell of a lot of them ... but still.

JSWolf · 07-17-2012, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by StoryEnthusiast

So there's actually publisher producing ebooks in ePub? I didn't know that. So ePubl is not only for free ebooks.

Hugh Howey is the publisher. It was converted using Calibre. But I've since cleaned that up and am currently reading it. It was not hard or a long process to clean things up.

Stormchild · 07-17-2012, 03:46 PM

A shame that the epubs have bad formatting. You could contact Hugh and I am sure he would do something about it. I have the Mobi versions and they have no issues at all.

JSWolf · 07-17-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormchild

A shame that the epubs have bad formatting. You could contact Hugh and I am sure he would do something about it. I have the Mobi versions and they have no issues at all.

After I finish reading this and correct any errors either he or I have made, I'll contact him about my copy and see if he wants it. I would not mind if he replaced the existing ePub with it.

treadlightly · 07-17-2012, 04:07 PM

Hugh posted on his blog that Kobo is now selling a DRM-free ePub version of Wool.

JSWolf · 07-17-2012, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormchild

A shame that the epubs have bad formatting. You could contact Hugh and I am sure he would do something about it. I have the Mobi versions and they have no issues at all.

I had a look at the sample from Amazon and it's just as poorly formatted as the ePub. There are no indents and line spaces between the paragraphs. Not well formatted at all. Very poor. I bet you'd complain if you ever bought a pBook formatted that way. I know I'd be returning it. But because I was able to easily fix it to remove the paragraph spaces and put in indents. It now looks good. But it didn't look good originally. Neither the ePub and the Kindle versions are well formatted.

jgaiser · 07-17-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

I had a look at the sample from Amazon and it's just as poorly formatted as the ePub. There are no indents and line spaces between the paragraphs. Not well formatted at all. Very poor. I bet you'd complain if you ever bought a pBook formatted that way. I know I'd be returning it. But because I was able to easily fix it to remove the paragraph spaces and put in indents. It now looks good. But it didn't look good originally. Neither the ePub and the Kindle versions are well formatted.

In your humble opinion...

I have *no* problems with no indent and line spaces between paragraphs.

Don't assume because you don't like the formatting that the rest of the world agrees with you.

Stormchild · 07-17-2012, 05:24 PM

I agree fully. I, my wife, daughter and son-in-law have all read the Mobi versions and have no complaints at all.
Maybe it is your reader Jon.

JSWolf · 07-17-2012, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormchild

I agree fully. I, my wife, daughter and son-in-law have all read the Mobi versions and have no complaints at all.
Maybe it is your reader Jon.

It's not my reader. It's the way its formatted (poorly). It looks like it's an eReader file. Most eReader files have no indents and a space between paragraphs. This was done for the small screens of a cell phone back then. But now with a 5/6" screen, that sort of formatted, just not longer is viable.

jgaiser · 07-17-2012, 06:27 PM

Jon.. Could you point me at the standard that says you have to have indents and no spaces between paragraphs, because I've really searched and I can't find anything like that.

JSWolf · 07-17-2012, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jgaiser

Jon.. Could you point me at the standard that says you have to have indents and no spaces between paragraphs, because I've really searched and I can't find anything like that.

You don't. There not standard that even says you cannot even make it say one paragraph per page. But making an eBook look good should be top priority after the story is done.

AndrewH · 07-17-2012, 07:12 PM

Indentation vs block paragraphs is a stylistic choice based on publishing form. With ebooks, one is just as valid as the other, IMO.

Indents are nothing more than a leftover from the days when pilcrows were used to mark a new paragraph.

Might as well complain about not having two spaces after a period.

jgaiser · 07-17-2012, 07:15 PM

And once again - In your humble opinion.

In my opinion, the Wools books have good formatting. I can tell where each and every paragraph begins and ends. Whether you like indents and spaces between paragraphs or not is a matter of *opinion*.

Saying the books have bad formatting is just not true and is really unfair to the author.

JSWolf · 07-17-2012, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jgaiser

And once again - In your humble opinion.

In my opinion, the Wools books have good formatting. I can tell where each and every paragraph begins and ends. Whether you like indents and spaces between paragraphs or not is a matter of *opinion*.

Saying the books have bad formatting is just not true and is really unfair to the author.

But one thing you cannot disagree with is that the formatting is not optimizing the about of words on the screen.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. I have seen much worse. And given how easy it was to modify, it's not really that bad (under the hood).

DiapDealer · 07-17-2012, 07:31 PM

There are, at times, formatting things that bug me as a reader. But I'd never dream of calling formatting that doesn't jive with my personal preferences "wrong." If the formatting bugs me too much... I may reformat to my own personal tastes before reading, but then I move on. I don't presume the rest of the world needs to adopt my personal preferences. Having said all that: I don't recall being bugged enough by anything when reading the Wool Omnibus that I needed to change anything in order to successfully read the piss right out of it.

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07-17-2012, 03:46 PM	#18
Stormchild Evangelist Posts: 466 Karma: 878943 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Cornwall UK Device: BeBook 1. BeBook Mini. BeBook Neo and Club. BeBook Live. BeeBook Pure.	A shame that the epubs have bad formatting. You could contact Hugh and I am sure he would do something about it. I have the Mobi versions and they have no issues at all.

07-17-2012, 04:07 PM	#20
treadlightly Wizard Posts: 1,370 Karma: 6957792 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Ottawa, ON Device: Kobo H2O	Hugh posted on his blog that Kobo is now selling a DRM-free ePub version of Wool.

07-17-2012, 05:24 PM	#23
Stormchild Evangelist Posts: 466 Karma: 878943 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Cornwall UK Device: BeBook 1. BeBook Mini. BeBook Neo and Club. BeBook Live. BeeBook Pure.	I agree fully. I, my wife, daughter and son-in-law have all read the Mobi versions and have no complaints at all. Maybe it is your reader Jon.

07-17-2012, 06:27 PM	#25
jgaiser Omnivorous Posts: 3,281 Karma: 27978909 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Rural NW Oregon Device: Kindle Voyage, Kindle Fire HD, Kindle 3, KPW1	Jon.. Could you point me at the standard that says you have to have indents and no spaces between paragraphs, because I've really searched and I can't find anything like that.

07-17-2012, 07:12 PM	#27
AndrewH Fanatic Posts: 553 Karma: 1234566 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Vancouver, WA Device: Sony PRS-T1, & Kobo Mini	Indentation vs block paragraphs is a stylistic choice based on publishing form. With ebooks, one is just as valid as the other, IMO. Indents are nothing more than a leftover from the days when pilcrows were used to mark a new paragraph. Might as well complain about not having two spaces after a period.

07-17-2012, 07:15 PM	#28
jgaiser Omnivorous Posts: 3,281 Karma: 27978909 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Rural NW Oregon Device: Kindle Voyage, Kindle Fire HD, Kindle 3, KPW1	And once again - In your humble opinion. In my opinion, the Wools books have good formatting. I can tell where each and every paragraph begins and ends. Whether you like indents and spaces between paragraphs or not is a matter of opinion. Saying the books have bad formatting is just not true and is really unfair to the author.

07-17-2012, 07:31 PM	#30
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 27,546 Karma: 193191846 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	There are, at times, formatting things that bug me as a reader. But I'd never dream of calling formatting that doesn't jive with my personal preferences "wrong." If the formatting bugs me too much... I may reformat to my own personal tastes before reading, but then I move on. I don't presume the rest of the world needs to adopt my personal preferences. Having said all that: I don't recall being bugged enough by anything when reading the Wool Omnibus that I needed to change anything in order to successfully read the piss right out of it.