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Who takes e-books for free, actually work for a living? | 10 | 45.45% | |
Who works for a living believe they deserve every penny of what they get? | 8 | 36.36% | |
Would you work for free if you won't be paid? | 9 | 40.91% | |
Should strangers dictate author's wages? | 13 | 59.09% | |
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll |
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12-13-2007, 03:25 PM | #61 |
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Ah. Right.
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12-13-2007, 05:01 PM | #62 | |
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Harry_T reiterated it 100 times on this forum It is illegal to format shift, like scanning your own book or ripping your own CD into mp3 album |
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12-13-2007, 06:10 PM | #63 | ||
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I have nothing but the greatest respect for good authors, and I want them to be able to succeed. In fact, I would be in favor of giving them all lots of money out of the public coffers just to ensure that they can keep writing. I think it would be a much better way to spend my tax dollars than many other things! But I think we're facing a transition in the way the market works. Any disruptive technology (automobiles, the Internet) brings with it challenges for certain ways of doing business (making goods for horse-drawn conveyances, selling copies of content). This is the "piracy is rampant, you can't stop it" part. I also think that we need to embrace change, especially when it's inevitable, and recognize the good things that come from it (fast and cheap transportation, the end of scarcity of knowledge). This is the "content should just be free now that it costs nearly nothing to make copies" part. But I still think that authors need to be compensated for creating the original work. I think it's a challenge to do so in an effective manner. I also recognize that it's a minority opinion, but it's not one I hold because I am evil, or dishonest, or because I want to cause people stress. In fact, I think a "widespread disrespect for authorship" is the last thing you'll find on an ebook forum. I don't think I've ever seen any disrespect for authorship here - making it a very minority opinion indeed ;-) Quote:
One thing I found to be helpful in dealing with situations like this, is to try to dispassionately deconstruct your own beliefs, and the reasoning behind them. () Try to build a formal proof from them. Then do the same for your opponents'. It will, at least, remove the personal sting from the whole thing. And you might be able to point to the exact place where you and your 'opponent' are out of step. It can help in reconciliation, or at least agreeing to disagree. Anyway, I'm sorry for any part I may have had in causing you stress! I like MobileRead to stay stress-free... |
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12-13-2007, 09:24 PM | #64 |
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12-13-2007, 11:44 PM | #65 |
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I don´t understand the poll sentences ...
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12-14-2007, 12:14 AM | #66 |
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12-14-2007, 10:23 AM | #67 |
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Well, my popcorn's finished, and this did turn out to be a very entertaining thread indeed!
Unfortunately, Jon and I (the original instigators of this thread) did two things wrong:
This poll was supposed to be a moral test, seeking people who believed that they were justified in taking the fruits or other people's labors without paying for them... while they, themselves, worked at jobs that they would not do without the paycheck that came with it. As an aside, it sought to identify people who believed that they have the right to dictate to someone else how much their work is worth in the market. As some of the other threads here have indicated, these concepts are viewed in radically different ways by many, and get even more convoluted in the details. Admittedly (and embarrassingly), I was not quite in my right mind when I came up with the idea of this poll in another thread, as I had been involved in an increasingly heated discussion debating the morals and ethics of online piracy... and finding myself surprised and frustrated at some of the things I was hearing. My poll idea was, therefore, an attempt to use irony to get others to see the error of their ways (and the superiority of mine. Told you I wasn't in my right mind). Actually, I never expected Jon to make it its own thread. And once it was up, it merely provided a new branch of the same piracy argument (because it could hardly have been called a debate by that time) on this site. However, I have to admit that, as tempers cooled, this thread has proven itself to have clarified many opinions and closed some open wounds (in fact, so has the original thread, thank goodness). Although even Jon and I have some different opinions regarding these issues, I'm sure he's as gratified as I am to see that, confusion aside, the spirit of honest debate and respect of opinions has (mostly) prevailed. To those who have played along, you have my sincere kudos, apologies for any egos that have not yet recovered from their bruises, and congratulations for proving that this website is, in fact, a community worth reckoning with. I'm glad I make e-books for you guys! |
12-14-2007, 06:38 PM | #68 |
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Boy. This thread stopped dead so fast, it left skid marks...
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12-14-2007, 06:49 PM | #69 |
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Maybe everyone just got bored and left.
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12-14-2007, 07:38 PM | #70 |
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All of the answers provided seem to be slanted. No Go.
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12-14-2007, 07:43 PM | #71 |
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LOL..all late.
I get it now.
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12-15-2007, 08:19 AM | #72 | |
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What bothers me, and seems to bother others, is that what we are seeing in many cases is NOT an attempt to sell ebooks at a fair price, but attempts to sell e-books at almost the same price as paper books, thereby reaping enormous profits. E-books have value, but that value depends on many factors. Is it DRMd? Well, that removes a customer's freedoms, and decreases value of the product. Can the e-book be resold? No? Again, reduction in value and loss of consumer rights. Is the book locked to a single format, and thereby a single reader? Yes? Decrease in value again. What isn't a fair price at $19.99 may well be if the publisher lowers the price to $3.99. |
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12-15-2007, 08:43 AM | #73 |
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Most of that I agree with, with just 2 caveats:
Although the low production costs of e-books (or software) may mean "absurd profits are possible," the fact is that really shouldn't concern the consumer... rather, whether or not the book or software has appropriate value to you is what's important. Worry about whether you will pay the asking price for software or an e-book, not how much the author's going to get at the end of the year. And personally, I have never connected a book's worth to its resale value... it's a book, not a car. So I've never considered resale value contingent upon worth, nor decided not to buy a book because I wouldn't be able to resell it. |
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I could not have put it better myself
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People (here anyway) WANT TO BUY eBooks from th authors they enjoy. There is little doubt about this. Quote:
What happens when it becomes a software product? Its valuation is determined by the market by indicators for software products AS WELL AS literary ones. One of those factors is utility. And if this product is produced and sold with no analog capabilities, attachments or media/medium? Automatic market value reduction. But I believe you make this point below... Quote:
I think $3.99 might be a bt on the low side, maybe, but its is a damned site more in line with the perceived value for what you "get" than $10 or $15. I don't think that publishers OR authors really, truly "get" that an eBook is a software product. Look at what a typical $10 or $15 dollar piece of software "does" as opposed to a book, which for people in the eBook market is really a "one-shot" purchase as unlike music for example, most people don't read books cover to cover over and over again. They may refer to them from time to time, or re-read a really beloved book again, but honestly, "collecting eBooks" isn't like...at all having shelves and shelves of books to look at and walk by. Hell, if they let the "fools" that wished to blow their own ink/toner and paper print out a copy of the thing if they wanted to, this ALONE would add so much more "perceived value" while costing nothing to the publisher (they already sold the book)...but even this obvious thing seems to escape them. *shrug* |
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Ok...
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