05-18-2010, 12:57 PM | #61 |
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Are you being funny? If so, throw us a few emoticons and help us out.
I don't see anything fringe nutty in the statement "In the end, not wanting to pay for other people's efforts is greed." There's nothing crazy about paying for the products and services you benefit from... especially when the people who provide those products and services ask to be paid for their work. This is a reality that any person on the planet can understand. |
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05-18-2010, 01:10 PM | #63 |
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05-18-2010, 01:40 PM | #64 | |
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I'm trying to bridge the divide here and help some of you understand what your statements sound like. And yes, Steve, I am talking to you too because you can't see what's wrong with what he said. The people who he called greedy are, at the very minimum, potential customers (some of them, anyway). Insult them and they will never be a customer. Thus, his post is self-defeating. And if you think he's only referring to pirates, sorry Steve, but I feel he also hit me with that label (and I pay for my content whenever I can). |
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05-18-2010, 01:54 PM | #65 | |
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And both of them dismiss the possibility that people are downloading the ebooks because they have already bought the book, but need a drm-free copy to put on their other devices. In fact, both of them seem to dismiss drm as a "problem". |
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05-18-2010, 02:53 PM | #66 |
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As you and others seem to similarly dismiss "piracy," without providing more than heresay, anecdotal evidence and "possibilities" for your points, and suggesting that the world will somehow magically reward authors who start giving their work away. IOW, you're not the only one who's "distressed."
Of course, this did not start out to be a DRM/anti-DRM thread... it was steered in that direction by others, not me. I don't create or use DRM, but I don't condemn it either... it's just a tool, and like any tool, it can be used properly or improperly (or not at all)... EOL. This is a thread about copyright infringement, and the stance taken by the courts to uphold it. Nate: Yes, we're talking about potential customers... but if they also happen to be potential customers who are, at the moment, knowingly taking content they are expected to pay for... well, I'm sorry, but I'm only going to speak so kindly about people like that, and I'm not going to object to anyone else who decides to call a spade a spade. But again, if you want to come up with a nice, PC word for "not wanting to pay for other people's efforts," you're welcome to do so. |
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An ebook can potentially be reproduced and shared with thousands of your closest friends, with no money going to the author beyond the first file. Authors stand to lose orders of magnitude more on e-book sharing compared to used book buying. This hints at one of the matters that would make sharing more palatable to authors/creators: Establishing a way for them to make some money off of each new iteration of their book, no matter who duplicated it or who got it. If, as has been suggested in another thread, we have the technology to solve many of the problems of the new market of ebooks, we should be able to solve this. |
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Even for property I'm required to keep in a particular way for safety, I get choices about how to apply those safety measures. My house may be required to have a fire-resistant roof, but I get a selection of materials, styles & colors. I may be required to keep a gun in a locked case, but I get to pick the case. If I work with hazardous chemicals, I can't just throw them down the kitchen drain, but I get to decide whether to keep them in a glass or ceramic container, and how often to take it somewhere for disposal. And DRM prevents legal uses of what I've paid for. Closed stores at 3am don't prevent me from using what I've bought. Quote:
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It's possible that publishers are fighting against that tech not just because they *want* to lock people into a "1 purchase = 1 reader" pattern, but because they're aware that's one of the last few stumbling blocks that prevents ebooks from starting to replace print. As soon as someone can sell her used Harlequin ebooks for $.50 each, just like the physical ones at used book stores, the printed versions are in big, big trouble. |
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Life+copyrights last longer than an average human lifetime and are effectively unlimited the people who provide the protection never get to see the benefits of it. Let me be clear, the benefit isn't you selling a bunch of books, its the public domain. Last edited by Iphinome; 05-18-2010 at 05:54 PM. Reason: fixed a typo |
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I don't think it's nutty at all and agree with it as I said above.
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05-18-2010, 06:14 PM | #72 |
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I find it preposterous that a mod for a sight dedicated to the proliferation of ebooks would drop into the the discussion in defense of pirating. The comment about greed was spot on, and not directed at anyone in particular.
If my post is deemed as offensive, and I'm blocked from this site, that is fine as your response has seriously cracked the credibilty of this site(to me) |
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perversity pay closer attention. The argument went well beyond piracy and into anyone who didn't like publisher pricing or tactics being greedy for wanting a better deal. Are you trying to say objecting to something being overpriced is the same as piracy?
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05-18-2010, 06:34 PM | #74 | |
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If the price is right, and there is no DRM, the vast majority of those who actually want the product, will buy it. But if a title is DRM-ed, so that it cannot be used upon change of hardware or software, and if the price of an e-title is higher than the printed version, then it may be tempting for many to search for a "liberated" copy. Simple as that. |
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