08-20-2012, 04:13 PM | #1 |
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"Racist" novel raising a ruckus
"The new novel Saving The Pearls: Defending Eden sounds like something that someone made up as a prank. Victoria Foyt's self-published novel takes place in a world where, due to global warming, most white people are dead. The world is ruled by black people, called "coals" in the book. The remaining white people, called "pearls," are oppressed by the "coals." But apparently this book is real, and its author chose to promote it with a video showing a white person in blackface. The internet, not surprisingly, was not amused.
All of this would be just another internet firestorm about somebody being an idiot — except that Weird Tales Magazine, one of the most venerable speculative fiction magazines in the world, decided to reprint the first chapter of Saving the Pearls in its next issue. And Weird Tales editor Marvin Kaye, who took over the magazine from the Hugo Award-winning team of Ann VanderMeer and Stephen Segal last year, wrote a blog post defending the book: Explained Kaye: This story is a compelling view of a world that didn't listen to the warnings of ecologists, and a world that has developed a reverse racism: blacks dominating and detesting not just whites, but latinos and albinos, the few that still survive of the latter are hunted down and slaughtered... Racism is an atrocity, and that is the backbone of this book. That is very clear to anyone with an appreciation for irony who reads it." http://io9.com/5936309/weird-tales-m...on+racist-book |
08-20-2012, 04:54 PM | #2 |
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I can see the objection to black face, but premise of the book itself doesn't sound racist.
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08-20-2012, 04:57 PM | #3 |
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There was a play on Radio 4, Noughts and Crosses, a few months ago along similar lines. I found it quite creepy.
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08-20-2012, 05:42 PM | #4 |
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Not exactly a novel premise, is it - "Planet of the Apes" did a sort of version a very long time ago !
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08-20-2012, 05:48 PM | #5 |
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Dear Author didn't think much of the book, and called it "awful". Their reviewer says also that the author has made pretty racist statements.
I tend to trust Dear Author more than I do Marvin Kaye, about whom I know nothing. |
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08-20-2012, 06:07 PM | #6 |
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The theme is hardly new.
Heinlein's Farnham's Freehold is generally frowned upon for playing with pretty much the same theme back in 1964: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farnham's_Freehold Role-reversal stories aren't popular even when skillfully written. Clumsy ones are surefire train wrecks. Rubberneck at will, then move on.. |
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Even in days when Vampires might rule. True Blood among many others. And of course Zombies! Someone worries about Blacks being at the top of the food chain?? I think the people protesting aren't Sci Fi people. Just posers. Mom would have said. "Pay no attention. Don't look at them, and keep walking." |
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08-20-2012, 07:41 PM | #8 |
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Farnham's Freehold, that's the book I was trying to think of, thank you. As I remember white people weren't considered human and were raised, literally, as cattle.
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08-20-2012, 07:41 PM | #9 |
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I'm not opposed to the premise of the book, although I doubt I'd want to read it, and the author does sound like a tool.
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08-20-2012, 07:51 PM | #10 |
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And people have held similar opinions in real life too. Charles Manson had his idea of "Helter Skelter" and a race war etc. I wonder if he read Farnham's Freehold at the time. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that he had.
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but I'll reserve any strong opinion one way or the other as unlike the person I quoted, I've not read any of the book and probably won't considering the size of my reading list and taste in genres :P I might very well be just as appalled if I actually read it. |
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08-21-2012, 10:15 AM | #12 |
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The premise is not new in science fiction, but it does come off as offensive in this case because black people are still a minority and discriminated against all over the world. There is still a lot of fear and hatred against black people, you just have to read some of these anti Obama yahoos trolling the net to see that. And so this book is a thinly veiled attempt to say that Obama and his "type" will take over and make white people their slaves. It's anti black, period. Anybody who can't see that that is the true premise of the book is insane.
On the other hand maybe it's time to shine a light on these anti social cockroaches. Unfortunately the more attention they get the more chance they get to spread their negative message across to susceptible idiots. |
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Weird Tales will no longer be printing the excerpt apparently: http://io9.com/5936397/weird-tales-b...ffensive-novel
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I have no idea if the book is racist or not, but it seems like (based on the io9 comments) a lot is being made about excerpts without any context. And it's a little sad that: (i) the publisher admitted to a quick knee-jerk reaction to placate the mob without first having read the book; and (ii) they don't seem to care that their may be a deeper context to content that, with only a dullard's surface analysis, appears to be racist. Last edited by Ninjalawyer; 08-21-2012 at 10:24 AM. |
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Do you really think everyone who is anti-Obama is racist? |
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