Where does the new Kindle for PC put the books?

Chocky · 03-26-2014, 04:05 AM

As the title really.

I have now downloaded the new Kindle for PC app, and it doesn't appear to put the book in the My Kindle Content folder anymore.

I use Calibre to sideload the books I buy from Amazon and now after buying and downloading a book, I can't find it anywhere!

Josieb1 · 03-26-2014, 09:14 AM

You've posted this in the Kobo forum.

WT Sharpe · 03-26-2014, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Josieb1

You've posted this in the Kobo forum.

I've moved it to the Kindle Forum, although since they plans to import the books to their Kobo, I can see why they posted it there.

DiapDealer · 03-26-2014, 09:46 AM

There should be a setting in the options to change the location of your library. It will display the current location.

HarryT · 03-26-2014, 09:48 AM

The Windows 8 Kindle app doesn't store its books in an accessible way - they're stored in fragments, in a database.

Install the Windows 7 "Kindle for PC" instead. It stores its books in "My Documents\My Kindle Content". You can have the Win8 and Win7 Kindle apps installed on the same PC.

WT Sharpe · 03-26-2014, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

The Windows 8 Kindle app doesn't store its books in an accessible way - they're stored in fragments, in a database.

Install the Windows 7 "Kindle for PC" instead. It stores its books in "My Documents\My Kindle Content". You can have the Win8 and Win7 Kindle apps installed on the same PC.

As I just discovered a few minutes ago when I did a search of a book I bought recently. I did a search for B000FC1PJ8, which is the Amazon number for Burglars Can't Be Choosers [Kindle Edition] by Lawrence Block <http://smile.amazon.com/Burglars-Cant-Choosers-Lawrence-Block-ebook/dp/B000FC1PJ8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1395843636&sr=8-1&keywords=burglers+cant+be+choosers>. I found it on my own PC at C:\Users\X1\AppData\Local\Packages\AMZNMobileLLC.K indleforWindows8_stfe6vwa9jnbp\LocalState\cache\B0 00FC1PJ8 and it was broken up into well over 150 fragment files.

Sorry. Looks like either the publishers have pushed Amazon into a new scheme to prevent reproduction of their books or Amazon doesn't want people reading Kindle books on anything but Kindles or Kindle apps. Either way, it appears you're pretty well screwed.

If they eventually bring this system to the Kindle itself, it will be the end of my buying books at Amazon.

HarryT · 03-26-2014, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

Sorry. Looks like either the publishers have pushed Amazon into a new scheme to prevent reproduction of their books or Amazon doesn't want people reading Kindle books on anything but Kindles or Kindle apps. Either way, it appears you're pretty well screwed.

If they eventually bring this system to the Kindle itself, it will be the end of my buying books at Amazon.

No, not screwed at all. As I said, you can happily install the Windows 7 "Kindle for PC" on a Windows 8/8.1 system. You can have both the Win 8 app AND the Windows 7 "Kindle for PC" installed on the same PC.

WT Sharpe · 03-26-2014, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

No, not screwed at all. As I said, you can happily install the Windows 7 "Kindle for PC" on a Windows 8/8.1 system. You can have both the Win 8 app AND the Windows 7 "Kindle for PC" installed on the same PC.

That's good news. Thanks for that, Harry. I started to ask if this was a special circumstance only relevant to the Windows 8 version.

Do you think Kindle will eventually go this route of fragmenting files?

HarryT · 03-26-2014, 10:54 AM

Unfortunately my crystal ball isn't telling me

. Time will tell.

kristalana · 03-26-2014, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

Do you think Kindle will eventually go this route of fragmenting files?

I'd bet money on it.

WT Sharpe · 03-26-2014, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kristalana

I'd bet money on it.

The rumor mill has it that Amazon will be coming out with a new Kindle soon with some killer features. I had planned to upgrade at that time, but now I think I'll wait first to see if a fragmented file system is introduced at for it. If it is, not only will I never buy another Kindle, but I'll never buy another e-book from Amazon, and I know I've spent hundreds and hundreds of dollars over the years on Amazon books. I'm not sure of the exact amount, but I'm sure it's been well over a thousand dollars easily.

HarryT · 03-26-2014, 12:09 PM

I really wouldn't lose any sleep over it. The Win8 app has been out for a considerable length of time now (over a year, certainly) and there's no sign of plain old files being superseded in any other device or app. Amazon have released several new hardware Kindles since the Win8 app came out, with no change in their file storage. Why they chose this approach for the Win8 app specifically I've no idea, but there's no evidence to suggest it's some sinister machination to make life more difficult for friends of Alf.

DiapDealer · 03-26-2014, 01:03 PM

The recent expiration of all but the most recent version of the xp/vista/7 version of the app could suggest that a pretty big change is in the wind. Of course, it could just be a timed thing too. It's been a while since the last forced update.

There have been several updates to the xp/vista/7 version since the new Windows 8 local storage revamp has made its splash, though. If they really wanted to change it (the older app), they've had plenty of time and opportunity to do so.

We'll see. It could be the Windows 8 app is just more akin to the Cloud Reader. Its offline storage has been file fragments stored in a db since its inception.

eschwartz · 03-26-2014, 03:20 PM

I would definitely assume the Win8 Metro app is just acting like your average mobile app, in storing data in a non-accessible way hidden from where people might do stupid things. While the full-fledged desktop program will not be changed in that way at all.

They're not going to change it. For one, it would kill your ability to download from MYK and sideload.

It would also make a mockery of "At the publisher's request, this title is sold DRM-free."

Amazon doesn't care what device you read it on, and they couldn't care less what you do with your ebooks, so long as you keep paying them for your ebooks.

kristalana · 03-26-2014, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by eschwartz

Amazon doesn't care what device you read it on, and they couldn't care less what you do with your ebooks, so long as you keep paying them for your ebooks.

Well that's the thing, I'm not. I buy some of my books from them, but more from Kobo. So maybe they'd figure if they remove the option to sideload then Kindle users will have to buy from them.

03-26-2014, 04:05 AM	#1
Chocky Addict Posts: 300 Karma: 162122 Join Date: Jul 2012 Device: Kobo Touch	Where does the new Kindle for PC put the books? As the title really. I have now downloaded the new Kindle for PC app, and it doesn't appear to put the book in the My Kindle Content folder anymore. I use Calibre to sideload the books I buy from Amazon and now after buying and downloading a book, I can't find it anywhere!

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03-26-2014, 09:14 AM	#2
Josieb1 Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,009 Karma: 18018738 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: UK Device: Kobo Forma, Libra2, Clara 2e, Kindle PW SE & Kindle 2022	You've posted this in the Kobo forum.

03-26-2014, 09:46 AM	#4
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 27,549 Karma: 193191846 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	There should be a setting in the options to change the location of your library. It will display the current location.

03-26-2014, 09:48 AM	#5
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	The Windows 8 Kindle app doesn't store its books in an accessible way - they're stored in fragments, in a database. Install the Windows 7 "Kindle for PC" instead. It stores its books in "My Documents\My Kindle Content". You can have the Win8 and Win7 Kindle apps installed on the same PC.

03-26-2014, 10:54 AM	#9
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Unfortunately my crystal ball isn't telling me . Time will tell.

03-26-2014, 12:09 PM	#12
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	I really wouldn't lose any sleep over it. The Win8 app has been out for a considerable length of time now (over a year, certainly) and there's no sign of plain old files being superseded in any other device or app. Amazon have released several new hardware Kindles since the Win8 app came out, with no change in their file storage. Why they chose this approach for the Win8 app specifically I've no idea, but there's no evidence to suggest it's some sinister machination to make life more difficult for friends of Alf.

03-26-2014, 01:03 PM	#13
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 27,549 Karma: 193191846 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	The recent expiration of all but the most recent version of the xp/vista/7 version of the app could suggest that a pretty big change is in the wind. Of course, it could just be a timed thing too. It's been a while since the last forced update. There have been several updates to the xp/vista/7 version since the new Windows 8 local storage revamp has made its splash, though. If they really wanted to change it (the older app), they've had plenty of time and opportunity to do so. We'll see. It could be the Windows 8 app is just more akin to the Cloud Reader. Its offline storage has been file fragments stored in a db since its inception.

03-26-2014, 03:20 PM	#14
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,422 Karma: 85397180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	I would definitely assume the Win8 Metro app is just acting like your average mobile app, in storing data in a non-accessible way hidden from where people might do stupid things. While the full-fledged desktop program will not be changed in that way at all. They're not going to change it. For one, it would kill your ability to download from MYK and sideload. It would also make a mockery of "At the publisher's request, this title is sold DRM-free." Amazon doesn't care what device you read it on, and they couldn't care less what you do with your ebooks, so long as you keep paying them for your ebooks.