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Old 10-04-2013, 07:55 PM   #811
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Why does this topic exist? Shouldn't we be asking Kobo to fix the current problems now.
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Why does this topic exist? Shouldn't we be asking Kobo to fix the current problems now.
As the title of this thread suggests, it is for suggestions for new features that people would like to see added to firmware. Items such as adding Twitter integration to go with the Facebook integration or allowing zooming images in epub files which do not exist in the current firmware.

Bugs in the current firmware have their own thread -- see the Kobo Bug Thread if you want to complain about/comment on/whatever what you see as a bug in a current firmware release.

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Show page numbers in the table of contents, the way old Sony PRS (pre-Android) did.
Given that epubs don't have fixed page sizes unless you have one of the few fixed layout/non-reflowable ebooks (possible under the EPUB3 standard but the few samples I've seen are not very usable and have a very poor user experience much like trying to use pdf files on an small eInk screen), showing page numbers in the table of contents would be very, very messy to implement. Even using the Adobe pseudo page number algorithm would be messy since that would require scanning the entire file and then somehow adding the page numbers to the table of contents. Just to add to the complexity, are we talking about an embedded table of contents or the toc.ncx file? You can use either with a Kobo ereader.

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Here's something that I don't know whether to call a bug report or a feature request...

I picked up a neat little gizmo from SanDisk that's a "Wireless Flash Drive." Short form: it's a chunky thumb drive with a built-in WiFi router. It's designed to be a way for multiple mobile devices to connect to a common data pool - for instance, store some music on it and different people can connect to the drive's network and access it. The important consideration is that it's a LAN; its purpose is to let devices interact without needing to access the internet.

Anyway, my idea was to store a copy of my DRM-free ebooks on the drive, so I could delete 'em after reading but be able to connect to the drive "in the wild" if I wanted to access 'em. Sounds reasonable, right?

My Kobo Glo will see the drive's network and let me attempt to connect to it, but always comes back with a vague error message. My Kindle Touch does the same thing, but gives a clearer message: it won't let me connect to the drive's WiFi because it can't get from there to the internet. It seems logical that this is likewise the case on the Glo.

I'd like to see that restriction removed. Sometimes you really do just want to connect to a LAN, and the Kobo firmware should permit that.
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Given that epubs don't have fixed page sizes unless you have one of the few fixed layout/non-reflowable ebooks (possible under the EPUB3 standard but the few samples I've seen are not very usable and have a very poor user experience much like trying to use pdf files on an small eInk screen), showing page numbers in the table of contents would be very, very messy to implement. Even using the Adobe pseudo page number algorithm would be messy since that would require scanning the entire file and then somehow adding the page numbers to the table of contents. Just to add to the complexity, are we talking about an embedded table of contents or the toc.ncx file? You can use either with a Kobo ereader.

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Looks like they have everything they need. They do display page numbers now. They know the total number of pages (they are displaying the total number of pages). They know/calculate the particular page when you navigate using the table of contents. So when the TOC is shown, showing the page numbers should be trivial.

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Yes, definitely.

And while they are at it, how about not having my Kobo turn itself completely off after being idle for a while? Just sleeping would be fine with me. It is very irritating to put my Kobo down for 30 minutes and then be forced to wait a minute to get back to reading.

I'd also like my Kobo to return to the book I was reading when it is turned on. Right now, I get the I'm Reading list first, and then I have to click my book.
Have tried setting the Power setting under Settings/Light, sleep and power to Never?

Seems to work for me to have my Aura HD not automatically power off.

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Looks like they have everything they need. They do display page numbers now. They know the total number of pages (they are displaying the total number of pages). They know/calculate the particular page when you navigate using the table of contents. So when the TOC is shown, showing the page numbers should be trivial.

Actually, navigating using the table of contents uses links not page numbers. So calculating the approximate page number and then inserting it into the file to be displayed is not that trivial and totally non-standard. To make it even more fun, are we talking pages displayed in terms of the number of screens? A page number using the Adobe page counting algorithm? A fixed page number using the non-standard Adobe page-map?
Page numbers in a fixed layout epub? For the joy of reading a fixed layout epub, try reading a pdf.

While you're at it, take a good look at the Adobe algorithm used for calculating the page numbers that Kobo display in the right margin (if enabled) and for the footer. Look at a chapter file, count the number of 1024 byte blocks of compressed data remembering to always round up (1023 is 1 page, 1025 is 2 pages but the page number will be split at 512/513). If the epub has Adobe's ADEPT DRM, use the fudge factor for DRMed epubs since it adds a few bytes to each file. Now try to get those synthetic page numbers to relate to page numbers in a dead tree book.

And just to add more joy, the page numbering algorithm used by the ACCESS renderer is slightly different as well.

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Actually, navigating using the table of contents uses links not page numbers. So calculating the approximate page number and then inserting it into the file to be displayed is not that trivial and totally non-standard. ...
I don't think anyone was talking about inline TOC.
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use whatever they are using now for page numbering.
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Page numbers in a fixed layout epub? For the joy of reading a fixed layout epub, try reading a pdf.

While you're at it, take a good look at the Adobe algorithm used for calculating the page numbers that Kobo display in the right margin (if enabled) and for the footer. Look at a chapter file, count the number of 1024 byte blocks of compressed data remembering to always round up (1023 is 1 page, 1025 is 2 pages but the page number will be split at 512/513). If the epub has Adobe's ADEPT DRM, use the fudge factor for DRMed epubs since it adds a few bytes to each file. Now try to get those synthetic page numbers to relate to page numbers in a dead tree book.
this sounds to me like you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. Just pick a numbering scheme. Or heaven forbid, provide an option.
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Again, more overcomplicating the problem.

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I don't think anyone was talking about inline TOC.

use whatever they are using now for page numbering.

this sounds to me like you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. Just pick a numbering scheme. Or heaven forbid, provide an option.

Again, more overcomplicating the problem.
I don't believe you understand his point.

He's not overcomplicating the problem; you're oversimplifying it. Your reader uses multiple different ways to calculate page numbers, depending on context, and some of those bear little resemblance to the "real page numbers" found in a printed book. That makes it impossible to "just pick one" without harmonizing all of those systems...which is a much taller order than you might think. I just finished a book last night that has a print page count around 380, but an electronic count closer to 260. Which one is right?

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I don't believe you understand his point.

He's not overcomplicating the problem; you're oversimplifying it.
ebooks have been around for a while now. The varying page numbering schemes are understood. I still don't see the problem.

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which...is a much taller order than you might think. ...
For epubs, I assume it would be easier to use the numbering system that the ADE engine is using. So use that.

For kepubs, either change to the ADE page numbering system, or use screen page numbers.

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... I just finished a book last night that has a print page count around 380, but an electronic count closer to 260.

Which one is right?
I don't see a problem with this. Nobody is asking for miracles. Implement what you can.

They can bring an ereader to market, I have confidence they could implement page numbers if they wanted to.
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I don't think anyone was talking about inline TOC.

use whatever they are using now for page numbering.

this sounds to me like you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. Just pick a numbering scheme. Or heaven forbid, provide an option.

Again, more overcomplicating the problem.

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So you don't want the inline TOC to display the page numbers as well as the TOC displayed by parsing the toc.ncx file?

For me the only reason for having page numbers instead of, oh shocking thought, just navigating to a chapter would be to match the page numbers with a dead tree book. In a dead tree book, the page numbers are fixed and you need to flip through the pages to get to a chapter which is rather different from tapping on "Chapter 10 – The Wager Lost By Winning" and being deposited at that position in the ebook.

Perhaps you can enlighten me as to why you would want a number that lacks any true relevance to be displayed?

I really don't think that I am making a mountain out of a molehill. I however do seem to realize how the page numbers displayed in an epub format ebook are synthesized. If you can point me in the direction of a easy bug free method of inserting page numbers into the toc.ncx file -- remembering that we have a limited number of characters and several times I have seen TOC entries that required a tap to display the full chapter title and other entries that used an image file.

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On the book menu, there is an menu entry "Table of Contents". When that is selected, a window is shown that says "Table of Contents" at the top. This is where I would like the page numbers. I assume this is what you are referring to as "TOC displayed by parsing the toc.ncx file"

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Perhaps you can enlighten me as to why you would want a number that lacks any true relevance to be displayed? ...
Multiple reasons. It would depend on how they implement it. If they implemented ADE page numbering, I would use it for syncing between different devices and determing time to read.

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Could you explain which TOC.ncx file you are talking about?

In case I haven't made it clear, I know next to nothing about epubs/kepubs.

And I'll just restate what I said before, selecting an entry in the table of contents, I see a page displayed with a page number at the bottom. I would like that page number displayed in the table of contents; I'm not saying the current API supports it, I do think it should be "easy" to display the page number. I do realize that it is easy for me to say, but so far, I haven't heard a good reason why it isn't easy.
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David, you do stuff with Calibre? Are you thinking of making changes for Calibre? My comments weren't made with regards to Calibre, but with regards to the kobo devices.
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ebooks have been around for a while now. The varying page numbering schemes are understood. I still don't see the problem.
I open an ebook in Sigil and correct a couple of typos. Depending on which compression engine and settings I use to recompress the files, the ADE page numbering algorithm will give different results -- you do recall that ADE counts compressed data. My ebooks page numbers will no longer agree with those shown by a unmodified copy.

Pretty much the only way to have page numbers that would reflect the viewable characters would require the ereader to open the ebook, uncompress and render the data for all the page files and then calculate page numbers using a currently non-existent standard for a page size.

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