03-23-2012, 03:19 PM | #61 |
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I love this thread so muchly.
Husband keeps wanting me to read GRRM, just because he thinks it will be amusing to watch me hate it. How about Patricia C. Wrede? I love her fantasy. In-depth and interesting, but with a very hopeful "good wins the day" tone. |
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For those of you with the fortitude of character to resist this, . I'm made of weaker stuff. Is it me, but if SF is 90% pessimistic, isn't Fantasy just the opposite? Like Belfaborac said how many Quote:
if you like the "hopeful" Fantasy. I do too (if its well written, recommendations welcome), just not all the time. Different strokes and all that... |
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03-24-2012, 09:18 AM | #63 | |
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"Wanting more" is most often the best state to leave your readers in. The problem is that the readers themselves don't usually understand that they're better off not "getting more" once the final curtain has fallen. So they clamor for more and usually end up with a bad taste in their mouth when the author makes the mistake of actually giving it to them. |
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03-24-2012, 10:32 AM | #64 | |
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But there are exceptions, of a sort. Marion Zimmer Bradley revisited/recast the entire back end of the Darkover saga when she decided to revisit SWORD OF ALDONES and ended up with HERITAGE OF HASTUR and SHARRA'S EXILE, easily the best two volumes of the series. (Although I have a soft spot for SPELL SWORD myself.) For a straight much-delayed extension, I'd offer up the FOUNDATION Series. Asimov went back to the "finished" Trilogy-that-wasn't and took up the challenge of the critics that argued that the implied victory of the Second Foundation was "the bad guys winning" and ended up folding almost all his SF books into a unified timeline running from END OF ETERNITY to ROBOTS AND EMPIRE and beyond. And it mostly works in you ignore the occassional inconsistency. |
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Thanks for the suggestions! I'll keep those in mind as examples of "maybe it can occasionally work" (but I have to admit that I've always preferred Bradley's brother Paul's Darkover novels).
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I'm not about to fight anybody that argues that the tone and style of the latter Foundation books is way different from the tone of the earlier works. The narratives are not exactly congruent. |
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03-24-2012, 11:21 AM | #67 |
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Of course not... how realistic is a happy and peaceful utopia? But a story in which a crisis threatens a non-utopic but otherwise-stable society is always workable (though, in most cases, more epic than realistic). Better off writing a story in which a crisis or person threatens an otherwise-stable group or society... much more workable, much more realistic. And can be optimistic.
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03-24-2012, 11:25 AM | #68 |
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Well, it doesn't help that for like 25 years Asimov had absolutely no desire to write another Foundation story, but finally pressure (and a large enough advance!) from his publisher caused him to cave. (such a shame, though, that bringing back the Foundation eventually led to the two prequel novels )
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The people who has a thorough understanding of the sciences (or are at least willing to put in hours of research) are not the ones writing the fiction. Some fiction writers just try to replace sound scientific knowledge with the shock value of pessiimistic/ violent novels that we're getting right now. Last edited by Michael McLovin; 03-24-2012 at 01:06 PM. |
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You don't need a PhD to write good SF. But a writer can be a good enough researcher (and just know enough about science) to write good SF.
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Stephen Baxter, David Brin and Gregory Benford are other scientists who write science fiction. I'm sure there are others. |
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I'm not sure if today's SF writers are so much pessimistic as REALISTIC. Realism means that there would be good and bad in any vision of the future-and maybe more bad than good. As Mr. Housman put it:
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Frankly, I'm not sure that the SF writers of the past were all that "happy-clappy". Isaac Asimov was the virtual poster child of the techno-optimist but even his universe featured war, imperialism, societal collapse, etc. |
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But sometimes it's even simpler. Writers aren't always the masters of their stories; sometimes a story spawns other stories mid-stream, or the ending of one creates the need for another. One example that comes to mind (given that I already mentioned SPELL SWORD above) is Bradley's FORBIDDEN TOWER, a story spawned by a comment from one of the author's friends about the challenges the protagonists were likely to face to maintain the "happy ending" of SPELL SWORD. More, not only did this lead to a story over twice as long as its precursor, it also led to a revision of THE BLOODY SUN and the above-mentioned SWORD OF ALDONES. So a single comment led to a simple fairy tale-ish standalone story becoming the cornerstone to half the entire Darkover series. Writing is hard work; writers are often compelled to follow-up whenever a good story or compelling characters present themselves so sequels and series aren't always about milking a popular character or millieau for a few extra bucks; sometimes it's about a muse that just won't be denied. Last edited by fjtorres; 03-24-2012 at 07:51 PM. |
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My favorite authors are still some of the oldest ones. Larry Niven is currently top of my list.
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