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That works fine-till one store becomes so dominant that they can tell you "Agree to sell us your books at our price and on our terms -or you won't sell anything!". If you are are satisfied Amazon customer, that's not your problem. If you are a publisher, that's a life and death business dilemma. Tor.com is one publisher's attempt to avoid this coming to pass. Other publishers have other projects going like this one. Stay tuned. |
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I love Baen. They have some of my favorite authors and I've bought a lot of books from them. But while I check Amazon's new books every day I might go to Baen's site once a month. Do you think they will offer their books on Amazon and at a discount on their site since they don't need to give Amazon a 30% cut? For 30% off I might search on Amazon but buy at Tor.
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Kobo runs some really nice coupons, not on anything that I read, but they would be of interest to many an Amazon reader. Most Kindle users won't use them because they don't know about drm stripping and conversion. Remove the DRM and allow the various bookstores to sell DRM free EPub and Mobi. Then allow those coupons to be used on TOR books. Now people have an incentive to shop at Kobo. Either Amazon has to match all of Kobo's deals, which it could probably do, but at least it gives Kindle users an easier way to go and shop at Kobo. I don't think that the DRM free Publisher store will work. Most ereader users are probably not fully aware of DRM. Those who are probably don't care because they shop at the store tied to their e-reader. Why bother shopping somewhere else to get something without DRM? It is an extra step. Maybe if the TOR store was 25% percent less expensive then Amazon but I am not sure that is allowable even under Agency Pricing. Since TOR would be the publisher, I am assuming that whatever price they sell the book for at their store would be a fair price to sell the book for at all other sites. But if Amazon has to worry about matching deals from BN, Kobo, Smashwords, Baen, Sony, and a series of other independents life becomes more difficult for them and they might, just might, lose some business. |
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Tor.com can succeed if it offer something the other book stores can't. I can't see it beating Amazon on price-Amazon subsidizes its prices from other revenue streams( according to most business analysts). The only other selling point is exclusivity. Tor.com can say , " If you want to buy John Scalzi or Charles Stross, you have to come to our store." Of course, customers may not care all that much for those authors. We'll see. |
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Macmillan , as a non-settling publisher, has agency pricing, so they can set whatever price they want at Tor.com. They may not be able to undercut Amazon, though. (Amazon sells its books at a loss to draw customers to its website, according to most analysts).Also too, they wouldn't have to pay a cut to the retailer. If they can undercut, then there is a reason to go to Tor.com. |
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You might want some dancing bears in that commercial.
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So: I think Stross is right; DRM locks are cutting into competitive diversity. I don't think eliminating DRM would be an insta-fix; I think it'll be a slow process of people gradually becoming aware they can change stores. And there's still plenty of reasons to stick with whatever store you're familiar with. Quote:
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Well, I like Tor. Certainly more than I do Amazon or even B&N... Depending on how they go about it, I might buy all my future books from them (or at least try to )
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I'm guessing her rights reverted on the older ones, or she got them back, or Baen only had ebook rights to the omnibuses (Young Miles etc.) as I believe she self-published those versions available through the Kindle store. The next Vorkosiverse book is only offered in hardcover through Amazon, not in Kindle format.
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