epub->mobi endnote formatting

kphoenix · 01-25-2011, 11:37 AM

I have an epub (generated from InDesign) with endnotes (fns in ID). I'm using my own stylesheet. In AdobeDE and Calibre the epub endnotes look fine. When I generate a mobi file with KindleGen the endnotes look fine.

However, when I convert to mobi using Calibre, every endnote has added white space above the last line of text, as if the line height for the last line was greater than the line height for the rest of the endnote. Very odd.

Has anyone else experienced this AND resolved it. Note: I'm using Kindle for PC, don't have a Kindle reader, if that might make any difference. Thanks.

Manichean · 01-25-2011, 11:52 AM

If you can generate a good MOBI file via Kindlegen, why not just add that to Calibre?

kphoenix · 01-25-2011, 12:14 PM

The KindleGen mobi doesn't keep the table of contents, which Calibre does. So, at the moment, it's unsightly endnotes from Calibre or no table of contents from KindleGen. I'd rather "fix" Calibre than mess with adding a separate toc file in the epub.

DoctorOhh · 01-25-2011, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kphoenix

The KindleGen mobi doesn't keep the table of contents

I'm just curious, are you sure KindleGen doesn't keep the TOC? Have you opened the book in K4PC and clicked the Go to menu and select Table of Contents? Mobi typically has their TOC as a inline TOC at the very back of the book and the only way to get there is via the Go To menu. Same thing with a real Kindle.

kphoenix · 01-26-2011, 08:33 AM

Hi. Haven't used K4PC. Just to clarify, when I say toc, I'm referring to a toc.ncx not an inline toc. This morning I tried KindleGen on the Calibre epub (yesterday used it on the InDesign epub). Same result. In the Kindle for PC viewer, the go to button, "Table of Contents" is grayed out/disabled.

kphoenix · 01-26-2011, 08:36 AM

My apologies...new to some of the lingo...if by "K4PC" you're referring to Kindle for PC, then, yes, that's what I used to view the mobi file.

DMSmillie · 01-26-2011, 09:13 AM

There are two types of "Table of Contents". In EPUB books, and in most EPUB readers, the NCX file is used to display a table of contents to the user. In MOBI books on the Kindle, the NCX file simply enables navigation to the previous/next navigation point using the 5-way control button - to display a table of contents to the Kindle user, it has to be coded as part of the HTML content, with a Guide item entry pointing to it in the OPF file. An inline TOC is the only kind that can be displayed to a Kindle user.

So when you use Kindlegen to convert an EPUB file to a MOBI file, it isn't actually "losing" the table of contents - the NCX file remains part of the ebook - it's just that MOBI files, and the Kindle, operate slightly differently compared to EPUB files and EPUB readers.

Edit to add: What Calibre is doing is creating an inline TOC from the headings in the HTML content, adding that to the end of the HTML content, and adding the appropriate Guide item in the OPF file to enable the Kindle to link to the inline TOC in its "Go To..." menu.

kphoenix · 01-26-2011, 09:26 AM

Thanks for the clarification re toc.

The Calibre epub->mobi conversion uses the toc.ncx, i.e., when that mobi file is viewed in K4PC, the toc option is available. But, back to my original post, in the Calibre mobi file, every endnote with multiple lines displays with added white space above the last line of the endnote. If I can't resolve that formatting anomaly, then, I reckon I'll have to add an inline toc.

kphoenix · 01-26-2011, 09:35 AM

Added note: When the mobi file created by Calibre is viewed in Calibre, the endnotes look ok. When viewed with K4PC or Mobipocket, the white space issue appears.

DMSmillie · 01-26-2011, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kphoenix

The Calibre epub->mobi conversion uses the toc.ncx, i.e., when that mobi file is viewed in K4PC, the toc option is available.

What Calibre is doing is creating an inline TOC from the headings in the HTML content, adding that to the end of the HTML content, and adding the appropriate Guide item in the OPF file to enable the Kindle to link to the inline TOC in its "Go To..." menu.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kphoenix

But, back to my original post, in the Calibre mobi file, every endnote with multiple lines displays with added white space above the last line of the endnote. If I can't resolve that formatting anomaly, then, I reckon I'll have to add an inline toc.

One possibility that occurs to me is if there's something in the last line of each endnote which is superscripted - some displays will move the line down to make room for superscript characters, whereas other displays will leave the line spacing untouched.

kphoenix · 01-26-2011, 11:14 AM

I just double-checked one of the chapters and there's nothing in any of the endnotes that would indicate superscript.

I am using a stylesheet and have endnotes downsized to .8em. I could remove the font-size element and see if it makes a difference. I noticed in the KindleGen mobi generated from the InDesign epub, that the endnotes weren't downsized, i.e., Kindle ignored the setting.

kphoenix · 01-26-2011, 12:05 PM

Follow-up. Well, removing the font-size parameter in the css resolved the issue. Would like to have smaller endnotes, but better to have toc from toc.ncx working and endnotes formatted ok. So, InDesign -> epub (no font-size for foot/endnotes) -> Calibre epub -> mobi.

kphoenix · 01-26-2011, 02:05 PM

I also tried adding a font-size parameter to the <footnotes> element that is autogenerated in the epub. If added in the stylesheet, the epub reflects the font size change, the mobi doesn't. If a "style" statement is added to the <footnotes> element in the xhtml, the epub reflects the change, as does the mobi, but the mobi also has the extra space above the last line of each endnote.

01-25-2011, 11:37 AM	#1
kphoenix Member Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: none	epub->mobi endnote formatting I have an epub (generated from InDesign) with endnotes (fns in ID). I'm using my own stylesheet. In AdobeDE and Calibre the epub endnotes look fine. When I generate a mobi file with KindleGen the endnotes look fine. However, when I convert to mobi using Calibre, every endnote has added white space above the last line of text, as if the line height for the last line was greater than the line height for the rest of the endnote. Very odd. Has anyone else experienced this AND resolved it. Note: I'm using Kindle for PC, don't have a Kindle reader, if that might make any difference. Thanks.

01-26-2011, 09:13 AM	#7
DMSmillie Enquiring Mind Posts: 562 Karma: 42350 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: London, UK Device: Kindle 3 (WiFi)	There are two types of "Table of Contents". In EPUB books, and in most EPUB readers, the NCX file is used to display a table of contents to the user. In MOBI books on the Kindle, the NCX file simply enables navigation to the previous/next navigation point using the 5-way control button - to display a table of contents to the Kindle user, it has to be coded as part of the HTML content, with a Guide item entry pointing to it in the OPF file. An inline TOC is the only kind that can be displayed to a Kindle user. So when you use Kindlegen to convert an EPUB file to a MOBI file, it isn't actually "losing" the table of contents - the NCX file remains part of the ebook - it's just that MOBI files, and the Kindle, operate slightly differently compared to EPUB files and EPUB readers. Edit to add: What Calibre is doing is creating an inline TOC from the headings in the HTML content, adding that to the end of the HTML content, and adding the appropriate Guide item in the OPF file to enable the Kindle to link to the inline TOC in its "Go To..." menu. Last edited by DMSmillie; 01-26-2011 at 09:19 AM.

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01-25-2011, 11:52 AM	#2
Manichean Wizard Posts: 3,130 Karma: 91256 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Germany Device: Cybook Gen3	If you can generate a good MOBI file via Kindlegen, why not just add that to Calibre?

01-25-2011, 12:14 PM	#3
kphoenix Member Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: none	The KindleGen mobi doesn't keep the table of contents, which Calibre does. So, at the moment, it's unsightly endnotes from Calibre or no table of contents from KindleGen. I'd rather "fix" Calibre than mess with adding a separate toc file in the epub.

01-26-2011, 08:33 AM	#5
kphoenix Member Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: none	Hi. Haven't used K4PC. Just to clarify, when I say toc, I'm referring to a toc.ncx not an inline toc. This morning I tried KindleGen on the Calibre epub (yesterday used it on the InDesign epub). Same result. In the Kindle for PC viewer, the go to button, "Table of Contents" is grayed out/disabled.

01-26-2011, 08:36 AM	#6
kphoenix Member Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: none	My apologies...new to some of the lingo...if by "K4PC" you're referring to Kindle for PC, then, yes, that's what I used to view the mobi file.

01-26-2011, 09:26 AM	#8
kphoenix Member Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: none	Thanks for the clarification re toc. The Calibre epub->mobi conversion uses the toc.ncx, i.e., when that mobi file is viewed in K4PC, the toc option is available. But, back to my original post, in the Calibre mobi file, every endnote with multiple lines displays with added white space above the last line of the endnote. If I can't resolve that formatting anomaly, then, I reckon I'll have to add an inline toc.

01-26-2011, 09:35 AM	#9
kphoenix Member Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: none	Added note: When the mobi file created by Calibre is viewed in Calibre, the endnotes look ok. When viewed with K4PC or Mobipocket, the white space issue appears.

01-26-2011, 11:14 AM	#11
kphoenix Member Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: none	I just double-checked one of the chapters and there's nothing in any of the endnotes that would indicate superscript. I am using a stylesheet and have endnotes downsized to .8em. I could remove the font-size element and see if it makes a difference. I noticed in the KindleGen mobi generated from the InDesign epub, that the endnotes weren't downsized, i.e., Kindle ignored the setting.

01-26-2011, 12:05 PM	#12
kphoenix Member Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: none	Follow-up. Well, removing the font-size parameter in the css resolved the issue. Would like to have smaller endnotes, but better to have toc from toc.ncx working and endnotes formatted ok. So, InDesign -> epub (no font-size for foot/endnotes) -> Calibre epub -> mobi.

01-26-2011, 02:05 PM	#13
kphoenix Member Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: none	I also tried adding a font-size parameter to the <footnotes> element that is autogenerated in the epub. If added in the stylesheet, the epub reflects the font size change, the mobi doesn't. If a "style" statement is added to the <footnotes> element in the xhtml, the epub reflects the change, as does the mobi, but the mobi also has the extra space above the last line of each endnote.