Reasons I'm not getting a Kindle but the Sony 505 instead. - Page 7

gregr209 · 12-04-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rflashman

Connect Store still doesn't work on my Windows Vista 64. Sony as far as I know has no plans to support me.

Doesn't work with a Mac (unless you use bootcamp or some other VM software).

I took my Sony Reader 505 back...hated to do it cause it looks so much better then the Kindle but the Kindle has to many "other" features that I felt I couldn't live without.

My 2 cents.

Greg

Alisa · 12-05-2007, 01:48 AM

ReplayTV rocked. As for the cable company DVRs, I've never seen one that was nearly as fast and easy to use as either my Replay or my Snapstream or my MythTV DVRs. I've certainly never seen one that had automatic commercial skipping or could act as server to other clients. Maybe Jon's does. I certainly haven't seen all of them.

HarryT · 12-05-2007, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sfernald

Get the Kindle or regret it! It's a no-brainer really.

Can you tell me how I can get one, please? Strangely, Amazon don't seem to want to sell me one!

Or are you suggesting that only the 5% of the planetary population who live in the US should make this decision which does not require a brain?

JSWolf · 12-05-2007, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by rflashman

Connect Store still doesn't work on my Windows Vista 64. Sony as far as I know has no plans to support me.

It is not just Sony. It is a lot of companies won't support 64-bit Windows. Blame Microsoft on that. The hoops you have to jump through to get to be able to run your driver(s) on 64-bit Windows is a real issue. That said, it is your fault for choosing it. It's not ready for prime-time and you should have known that and stuck with 32-bit Windows where everything works (or should work).

JSWolf · 12-05-2007, 06:56 AM

Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying the Kindle is bad, but as a first reading device, people are getting dumbed down.

It's akin to Windows dumbing people down. Have you read the messages here of people getting lost trying to use libprs500 via the command line? The Kindle is going to be the same way. it'll dumb people down so if they ever need to use the Kindle via the USB port, they'll be lost.

talaivan · 12-05-2007, 09:57 AM

It hasn't been much remarked on, but the Kindle gives you lots of choices for formatting -- one. On the Sony 505, using Book Designer you can manipulate the font, the margins, the size, etc. etc. This means you can customize a book for however you want to read it (and read Greek, Russian, etc.). Nor will Kindle allow you to change the spaces between lines -- you're stuck with a huge space whether you want it or not. On the Sony, you can make it whatever you want. As a result, the Kindle has about 2/3 per page as is comfortable on the Sony, and you have to advance the page much more often.

Penforhire · 12-05-2007, 11:04 AM

Dumbing down is good for the market. Way back when my ISP was Compuserve, the geek's choice. Remember how AOL came along, dumbed the whole experience down, and grew the market?

NatCh · 12-05-2007, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by vdospec

And the blue one looks really bad to me, Silver is the way to go, I had the Black 500 ....

Just noting a detail, the PRS500 didn't come in black. It only came in the same dark blue that is one of the two options (silver and blue) for the PRS505.

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Or are you suggesting that only the 5% of the planetary population who live in the US should make this decision which does not require a brain?

Hey, now! Somehow I think maybe I'm being insulted in there somewhere.

sfernald · 12-05-2007, 12:03 PM

PRS500 is black, not dark blue, isn't it?

I noticed a big difference in color. So much so that I was worried my wifey would detect that it was not the same when I did a "silent" upgrade.

NatCh · 12-05-2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sfernald

PRS500 is black, not dark blue, isn't it?

Nope, the 500 is a dark blue, I've got it right here, and my brand of mild color-blindness affects reds not blues.

Perhaps I'm mistaken that the 505's blue is the same as the 500's, however -- the review unit they lent me was a silver one, and I still haven't seen a blue one "in the flesh," so to speak.

Astropin · 12-05-2007, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sfernald

I strongly suggest for anyone considering an ereader to buy the Kindle. I own both the Sony PRS-505 and the Kindle and really there is no comparison. The Amazon "service" makes the Kindle superior to the Sony Reader in many ways, hands down.

I'm afraid the Sony product will now die a slow death like their MP3 players. Now that the profit margins are gone with the Connect store, I expect it will be shuttered in less than a year and Sony will move onto the next great "high-margin" gadget (that is the Sony way).

Get the Kindle or regret it! It's a no-brainer really.

Guess I'll regret it then......not. We have no clue what Sony's profit margins are. Not to mention the deal in the works with Borders and possibly with Adobe. I don't need all the functions of the Kindle. I have a Windows computer and Connect works just great for me....not to mention all of the other sources of ebooks out there that I can tap into with the Sony. I only need an ebook reader and in that I think the 505 is superior in many ways to the Kindle with the only major downfall being no searchable dictionary....I can live with that.

gregr209 · 12-05-2007, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying the Kindle is bad, but as a first reading device, people are getting dumbed down.

It's akin to Windows dumbing people down. Have you read the messages here of people getting lost trying to use libprs500 via the command line? The Kindle is going to be the same way. it'll dumb people down so if they ever need to use the Kindle via the USB port, they'll be lost.

It needs to be dumbed down for the computer challenged older folks :-)

Greg

Alisa · 12-05-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying the Kindle is bad, but as a first reading device, people are getting dumbed down.

It's akin to Windows dumbing people down. Have you read the messages here of people getting lost trying to use libprs500 via the command line? The Kindle is going to be the same way. it'll dumb people down so if they ever need to use the Kindle via the USB port, they'll be lost.

And ever since we got these new fangled furnaces, people have been getting weaker. We need to go back to chopping our own wood.

csmith75 · 12-05-2007, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

What does a TiVo do that my cable DVR cannot do? I managed to get a cable DVR free when I had my cable box upgraded due to that one being the only working upgraded box the cable guy had. I've used the DVR to time-shift things. It's really easy to use. Has two tuners so I can record one thing and watch another. And it records in HD as well.

I have both and my TiVo runs circles around my HD DVR from my cable company. The UI, the reliability, the recommendations, the ability to easily get content off the TiVo and onto my computer and iPod, etc..

They may do similar things, but one does it a WHOLE lot better. That's why I'm putting a TiVo HD on my Xmas list.

kovidgoyal · 12-05-2007, 01:44 PM

It's all about attitude. Amazon's attitude is very Big Brother-ish. They feel that they know how books should be read, and that you'd be better off doing it their way.

SONY's attitude isn't much better, but because SONY released an e-ink device (The librie) way before anyone else, tools have matured around the SONY that empower you to do what you want with it. So the 505 is a tool for power users, the kindle isn't (at least, not yet).

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12-05-2007, 01:48 AM	#92
Alisa Gadget Geek Posts: 2,324 Karma: 22221 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: Paperwhite, Kindle 3 (retired), Skindle 1.2 (retired)	ReplayTV rocked. As for the cable company DVRs, I've never seen one that was nearly as fast and easy to use as either my Replay or my Snapstream or my MythTV DVRs. I've certainly never seen one that had automatic commercial skipping or could act as server to other clients. Maybe Jon's does. I certainly haven't seen all of them.

12-05-2007, 06:56 AM	#95
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 74,033 Karma: 129333114 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying the Kindle is bad, but as a first reading device, people are getting dumbed down. It's akin to Windows dumbing people down. Have you read the messages here of people getting lost trying to use libprs500 via the command line? The Kindle is going to be the same way. it'll dumb people down so if they ever need to use the Kindle via the USB port, they'll be lost.

12-05-2007, 09:57 AM	#96
talaivan Groupie Posts: 178 Karma: 4710362 Join Date: Oct 2007 Device: Sony prs-505	It hasn't been much remarked on, but the Kindle gives you lots of choices for formatting -- one. On the Sony 505, using Book Designer you can manipulate the font, the margins, the size, etc. etc. This means you can customize a book for however you want to read it (and read Greek, Russian, etc.). Nor will Kindle allow you to change the spaces between lines -- you're stuck with a huge space whether you want it or not. On the Sony, you can make it whatever you want. As a result, the Kindle has about 2/3 per page as is comfortable on the Sony, and you have to advance the page much more often.

12-05-2007, 11:04 AM	#97
Penforhire Wizard Posts: 2,230 Karma: 7145404 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Device: Kindle Voyage & iPhone 7+	Dumbing down is good for the market. Way back when my ISP was Compuserve, the geek's choice. Remember how AOL came along, dumbed the whole experience down, and grew the market?

12-05-2007, 12:03 PM	#99
sfernald Zealot Posts: 102 Karma: 101 Join Date: Oct 2006	PRS500 is black, not dark blue, isn't it? I noticed a big difference in color. So much so that I was worried my wifey would detect that it was not the same when I did a "silent" upgrade.

12-05-2007, 01:44 PM	#105
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,866 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	It's all about attitude. Amazon's attitude is very Big Brother-ish. They feel that they know how books should be read, and that you'd be better off doing it their way. SONY's attitude isn't much better, but because SONY released an e-ink device (The librie) way before anyone else, tools have matured around the SONY that empower you to do what you want with it. So the 505 is a tool for power users, the kindle isn't (at least, not yet).

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