02-26-2012, 04:45 AM | #166 |
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What is interesting is why they would buy content that they could get for free. It's a shame there hasn't been any research on that part of it because I do believe it is something we could all learn from. Would they continue to buy if piracy was wiped out? Obviously they won't be able to if they get kicked off the internet, but say people were just fined instead. Would the fine money come out of their entertainment budget and lead them to download more instead of buying?
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02-26-2012, 06:31 AM | #167 |
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I know musicians who shrug their shoulders at file sharing sites. They don't compare it to physical property which subtracts itself if it is stolen. They knew these sites existed before they got into music, and just work around it.
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02-26-2012, 06:59 AM | #168 | |
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i'm also not a constant pirate, i don't sit and download everything i come across. i have to have an interest in it. its actually been a few weeks since i've downloaded anything. i don't fully read everything i pirate either. if it doesn't hook me after a few chapters, the writing proves lackluster or it just seems meh after a quick scan, it gets deleted. if piracy were unavailable i would have to be far, far more selective or buy used. i can't afford to buy $15 trades/ebooks willy nilly from authors i'm totally unfamiliar with. i used to buy movies left and right until netflix came along. that allowed me to be more selective instead of plunking down $20 for every movie i was mildly interested in. i'd sooner chop off my arm than give up books but like i said i'd have to be far more selective and frankly i'd end up buying less as a result. when i see people actually being fined or whatever i'll step away from ebook piracy. fear of getting a legal notice in my mailbox is why i don't touch movies, cds or video games. getting slapped with a court summons or even risking a "bricked" xbox 360 isn't worth it to me. the negative FAR outweighs the positive. sorry for the nonsensical ramble but its early/late and i haven't slept yet. Last edited by xg4bx; 02-26-2012 at 07:06 AM. |
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02-26-2012, 08:35 AM | #169 |
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And... I just bought my first modern music track in over 8 months because a friend linked me to the YouTube video and I liked it.
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02-26-2012, 08:49 AM | #170 | |
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If library borrowing statistics go down, the case for libraries, in competition for many other demands on public funds, goes down, as does their funding. This means not just fewer books for alleged freeloaders like yours truly, but less of the job finding help, homework completion support, and literacy promotion public libraries provide. And I sometimes, in my 56 years of life, have done worse things than that. Almost everyone this side of sainthood has. However, I don't think you should be admitting to the specifics. First, there is no real expectation of identities staying anonymous on a board like this. Right now, there is no real law enforcement against piracy except for a very few alleged kingpins, but this could change. You shouldn't be admitting to a likely violation of law that, if ever prosecuted, might be over-prosecuted, causing not only yourself, but others who care about you, to suffer. I can even see threads like this being used against MobileRead, which is, from a US standpoint, a foreign web site hosting infringing content (with repeated wise but unenforced warnings to check national laws before downloading). Second, you shouldn't admit to it without implying it is wrong. I admit to all parking and traffic violations that I have ever been convicted of and plan to do better in the future. Paranoid? Just to lay it out there, I'm not sure. But I don't think others can be sure either. |
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02-26-2012, 10:15 AM | #171 | |
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Since 2000, single track sales have soared relative to full CD sales. Both are sales, both are legitimate. Yet the net revenue drops and full CD sales drops because of legitimate substitution. I buy 3 track of an CD instead of a CD, and 1/4 the total price. (And I don't buy the CD that I otherwise would have had to buy to get those 3 tracks.) Doesn't this cause sales drop in CDs? Even the RIAA admits this is going on and is increasing. They could even provide statisical information showing the trend equivalent. But all I hear is piracy is all the problem. Factor out such things as track substitution from the numbers before you ascribe the losses to piracy. You might find the number aren't as large as the Industry wants to make out... |
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02-26-2012, 10:26 AM | #172 | |
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If they were right about one aspect, maybe they were right about the other.... Last edited by Greg Anos; 02-26-2012 at 10:54 AM. |
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02-26-2012, 11:28 AM | #173 |
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Here is a chart (coutesy of the RIAA) of combined sales.
Now let's do some simple geometry and math. Let's assume that for every 3 music download (legitimate purchases) one CD sale was lost. How much would that add to the CD column if it were converted and added in? If you figure the revenue from the track are the same, either way, and you figure the average CD has 12 tracks. (And yes, these are subject to discussion, but they aren't totally unreasonable.) That would mean that the bar for the Download track would be 4 times bigger than it is. (1 CD = 12 track, 12 tracks / 3 tracks (download) = 4 time the revenue) Now add that to the total of the CDs and suddenly that would double the revenues from CDs (not the 12,000 peak, but back up to 6,000). And that's just from legal download substitution. And that is from RIAA's own figures. Can you say all the other non-piracy causes mean nothing for sales? Last edited by Greg Anos; 02-26-2012 at 01:47 PM. |
02-26-2012, 01:44 PM | #174 |
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In addition, the total CD revenue would be around 3000 (in their scale) more.
3000 x .75 (they are getting 25% of the substitution revenue, they're just losing the 75%) = 2250. Total drop from peak 12000 (2000) - 3000 (2011) = 9000 total lost amount 2250 (lost revenue from legal download subtitution) / 9000 (total lost revenue) = 25% of the total revenue drop. Or 25% of the total drop is measurably attributable to legal Download substitution by RIAA's own figures! Don't be telling me it's all piracy. That's stuff and nonsense. And that is not even including the big bump in the late 1980's and early 1990's from swapping Vinyl/Cassettes to CD's, which had to inflate CD sales on a short-term basis, among other reasons for the drop. Last edited by Greg Anos; 02-26-2012 at 01:48 PM. |
02-26-2012, 05:16 PM | #175 | |
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02-27-2012, 09:13 AM | #176 | |
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That isn't what I see. If you drive on any UK motorway or dual carriageway, you will see a significant proportion of motorists, perhaps even a majority if the road is clear, breaking the speed limit. |
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People have always shared entertainment with each other, and most often, the original creator didn't get paid for that. The problem is not "how to stop people from sharing entertainment"--not gonna happen--but "how do we make it profitable enough that creators can keep making stuff?" Every time there's a breakthrough in technology, the answer changes. With free instant worldwide copies of many types of content, we'll have to get creative in how we can charge for it--but in thirty years, people are not going to be paying a dollar more for an ebook they can't share than they pay for a paperback delivered to their door that they can loan to the whole neighborhood. Quote:
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When I read paper, I passed those books along to other people when I was done. I rarely bother recommending books to other people anymore; while I felt comfortable saying "I think you'll like this author! Read this and find out!", I feel much less comfortable saying, "I think you'll like this author! Pay $5 to find out!" (Or $15, which is more likely for books I chop and scan. If it were $5 in a usable-to-me ebook format, I'd've bought it.) The purchase-per-read model is a terrific way to kill tomorrow's business for a short spike today. That bubble's going to pop--and the survivors will be authors who built a fanbase that will follow them to the next revenue model, not authors who got a royalty payment from every ebook reader. |
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This is not the same from "sharing" with millions of people all at one. Not the same at all. |
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02-28-2012, 10:19 AM | #179 | |
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You simply can't stop the people who want to share in bulk. It's impossible. All you can accomplish is pissing off the people who discover they can no longer exercise what was always a perfectly acceptable form of sharing previously. |
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