PRS-600 Page Turn Gesture: Yes/No, Which side and which finger? - Page 2

kazbates · 09-23-2009, 09:54 AM

I've often wondered if the design teams for some of these gadgets actually talk to regular people when they make changes. I would have loved to have had some input into the changes they made on the 600 and the first thing to go would be the raised frame. The second would be the button placement. This poll shows that many people prefer using the buttons but like the other aspects of the 600 enough to want it over the 300. Putting the buttons in a more ergonomic position would have made a great deal of sense. It makes me wonder if they actually use the products they are creating.

Journier · 09-23-2009, 11:19 AM

Mostly I hold my 600 by the right edge or lower right hand corner and use a slight swipe with my thumb. Sometimes, when I hold it at the bottom, I will use the page turn buttons. Mostly I like the convenience of just touching the screen.

zelda_pinwheel · 09-23-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kazbates

I've often wondered if the design teams for some of these gadgets actually talk to regular people when they make changes. I would have loved to have had some input into the changes they made on the 600 and the first thing to go would be the raised frame. The second would be the button placement. This poll shows that many people prefer using the buttons but like the other aspects of the 600 enough to want it over the 300. Putting the buttons in a more ergonomic position would have made a great deal of sense. It makes me wonder if they actually use the products they are creating.

i wonder the same thing, frequently.

it's too bad, because we've got a huge pool of people here who i'm sure would LOVE to be beta-testers for new designs. even without using an external pool, i agree, 5 minutes of any of their designers actually using the thing themselves should have made it obvious that the raised frame was a mistake. maybe they never actually see them except as drawings...

personally, apart from the raised screen, i would put the "back" button back where it was on the 700, rather than sticking it at the bottom of the options menu, or at the top left corner of a popup screen (the worst possible place for it, for me. even the top right would be better). the rest of the buttons don't bother me, but i can imagine that someone who uses them to turn pages would prefer a more ergonomic design / placement for them.

luckily, apart from this sort of detail, i think the interface is actually really well-done, overall.

kazbates · 09-23-2009, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

i wonder the same thing, frequently.

it's too bad, because we've got a huge pool of people here who i'm sure would LOVE to be beta-testers for new designs. even without using an external pool, i agree, 5 minutes of any of their designers actually using the thing themselves should have made it obvious that the raised frame was a mistake. maybe they never actually see them except as drawings...

personally, apart from the raised screen, i would put the "back" button back where it was on the 700, rather than sticking it at the bottom of the options menu, or at the top left corner of a popup screen (the worst possible place for it, for me. even the top right would be better). the rest of the buttons don't bother me, but i can imagine that someone who uses them to turn pages would prefer a more ergonomic design / placement for them.

luckily, apart from this sort of detail, i think the interface is actually really well-done, overall.

I completely agree about the back button. The missing back button was something I commented on after I went to the Sony Style store to compare the 600 with my 700 before I ordered it. I was surprised they had reduced the number of buttons (although I can say that I very rarely ever used the search button) on the 600. I still miss the Last Book Read button on the EBW1150 which I used a great deal to toggle between texts. Old habits die hard, I guess.

Juliette · 09-23-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

personally, apart from the raised screen, i would put the "back" button back where it was on the 700, rather than sticking it at the bottom of the options menu, or at the top left corner of a popup screen (the worst possible place for it, for me. even the top right would be better). the rest of the buttons don't bother me, but i can imagine that someone who uses them to turn pages would prefer a more ergonomic design / placement for them.

luckily, apart from this sort of detail, i think the interface is actually really well-done, overall.

There's a back option? I hadn't noticed. No, seriously

if anything, somebody ignoring this kind of detail (well, important detail) demostrates that they missed some point in designing the reader. I love my Reader for a lot of other questions, but, as with the PRS-300 (where's even more important), I miss having handy turning page buttons like the ones in the 505.

(yes, I could have looked it up in the manual, but I didn't, which could also prove that after all it's not top of priorities for a random user; still you miss it!)

MelC · 09-23-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

hm, very interesting. did you change that parameter yourself, or is it by default set to that direction ? i ask, because in a discussion recently a friend showed me on his iphone that to "turn pages" (really, to move through a set of photos, but same concept) you swipe from right to left to "push the old photo out of the way" (his explanation). i imagine you can modify that gesture (i don't know for sure) but i think that was the default. it would be surprising if another apple device uses the opposite direction as default.

You know, I'm on my work computer right now so can't test it out but I think you may be right, I may have it backwards...will need to go test it out and report back unless someone else has already commented.

Mel

Mel

Juliette · 09-26-2009, 02:54 AM

Looking at the poll- nobody really uses the ring finger? That's the only option with a 0... (I can see some reason, as it feels weaker- but maybe it's just me

)

HarryT · 09-26-2009, 04:55 AM

I don't know what a "ring finger" is. From the other options in the poll I'm guessing it's the finger next to the little finger? I never knew that there was a specific finger that one had to wear a ring on

.

dylenol · 09-26-2009, 05:45 AM

I am a right to left page turn simulator myself. However, I was able to do it with my nose the other day.

Juliette · 09-26-2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

I don't know what a "ring finger" is. From the other options in the poll I'm guessing it's the finger next to the little finger? I never knew that there was a specific finger that one had to wear a ring on

.

It's the fourth finger- the one for the wedding ring. If one wants to marry, that's it

(I actually found the forms on my dictionary... sounds a bit like annularis, which gave the neolatin languages forms).

Juliette · 09-26-2009, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dylenol

I am a right to left page turn simulator myself. However, I was able to do it with my nose the other day.

SPECTACULAR!

zelda_pinwheel · 09-26-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dylenol

I am a right to left page turn simulator myself. However, I was able to do it with my nose the other day.

good solution for myopic people ?

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Originally Posted by Juliette

It's the fourth finger- the one for the wedding ring. If one wants to marry, that's it

(I actually found the forms on my dictionary... sounds a bit like annularis, which gave the neolatin languages forms).

in french it's called the annulaire ("anneau" means ring).

i don't use it because it's usually (with the other three...) behind, as a support, since i'm usually reading one-handed.

Juliette · 09-26-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

i don't use it because it's usually (with the other three...) behind, as a support, since i'm usually reading one-handed.

Yes, that's it!

MelC · 09-26-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MelC

You know, I'm on my work computer right now so can't test it out but I think you may be right, I may have it backwards...will need to go test it out and report back unless someone else has already commented.

Mel

Mel

Okay just to finally resolve this (although probably no one cares anymore

) I am on my macbook now and it is definitely left to right for page forward and right to left for page back.

Mel

Juliette · 09-26-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MelC

Okay just to finally resolve this (although probably no one cares anymore

) I am on my macbook now and it is definitely left to right for page forward and right to left for page back.

Mel

I do care

(or I'd never begun the thread): quite interesting! Thank you!

View Poll Results: Use of the Page Turn Gesture
I use it (exclusive use).	13	13.98%
I don't use it.	11	11.83%
I use both the gesture and the buttons to page-turn.	63	67.74%
Gesture: Left-to-Right	25	26.88%
Gesture: Right-to-Left	45	48.39%
I do it with the thumb.	34	36.56%
I do it with the index finger.	43	46.24%
I do it with the middle finger.	5	5.38%
I do it with the ring finger.	0	0%
I do it with the little finger.	1	1.08%
I do it with all my fingers (please explain)	2	2.15%
I do it with a toe	1	1.08%
I use another way (please specify)	2	2.15%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 93. You may not vote on this poll

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09-23-2009, 09:54 AM	#16
kazbates Wizard Posts: 2,627 Karma: 406616 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northern Virginia Device: SurfacePro, SurfaceBook 2	I've often wondered if the design teams for some of these gadgets actually talk to regular people when they make changes. I would have loved to have had some input into the changes they made on the 600 and the first thing to go would be the raised frame. The second would be the button placement. This poll shows that many people prefer using the buttons but like the other aspects of the 600 enough to want it over the 300. Putting the buttons in a more ergonomic position would have made a great deal of sense. It makes me wonder if they actually use the products they are creating.

09-23-2009, 11:19 AM	#17
Journier Groupie Posts: 194 Karma: 415 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Northern CA Device: Kindle Oasis	Mostly I hold my 600 by the right edge or lower right hand corner and use a slight swipe with my thumb. Sometimes, when I hold it at the bottom, I will use the page turn buttons. Mostly I like the convenience of just touching the screen.

09-26-2009, 02:54 AM	#22
Juliette I eat books Posts: 601 Karma: 5124 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Milan, Italy Device: Gen3 PRS-505 PRS-600 PB360 PB302 K2 Opus BebookMini OnyxBoox K3 KDXG	Looking at the poll- nobody really uses the ring finger? That's the only option with a 0... (I can see some reason, as it feels weaker- but maybe it's just me )

09-26-2009, 04:55 AM	#23
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	I don't know what a "ring finger" is. From the other options in the poll I'm guessing it's the finger next to the little finger? I never knew that there was a specific finger that one had to wear a ring on .

09-26-2009, 05:45 AM	#24
dylenol Junior Member Posts: 4 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2009 Device: PRS-600	I am a right to left page turn simulator myself. However, I was able to do it with my nose the other day.

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