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Old 06-29-2014, 04:52 PM   #106
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A bit of necromancy here, but if people are interested The Great Book of Amber and other Zelazny titles are available (for the moment!) on the Kindle store. Rumour has that someone is screaming blue murder over this so it may not be available for long...
Still no 'Donnerjack'. Bummer...
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Old 06-29-2014, 06:02 PM   #107
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A bit of necromancy here, but if people are interested The Great Book of Amber and other Zelazny titles are available (for the moment!) on the Kindle store. Rumour has that someone is screaming blue murder over this so it may not be available for long...
Kind of surprised. I thought that both this and the Nine Princes of Amber had been pulled as unauthorized ebooks. I know that the Nine Princes of Amber got pulled down about 2 or 3 days after it had been put up. There are actually several ebooks that are legit from IBOOKS INC (in the kindle store). Hopefully they will have another 2 or 3 in a week or so.
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'Cause it's unauthorised, of course. No matter how many times they put it back up. You'd really think Amazon could do something preemptively to keep them off until they actually are authorised.

I really wish some were legitimately available, though.
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A bit of necromancy here, but if people are interested The Great Book of Amber and other Zelazny titles are available (for the moment!) on the Kindle store. Rumour has that someone is screaming blue murder over this so it may not be available for long...
I hope it's still there July 1st, since it's in the KOLL program.
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A bit of necromancy here, but if people are interested The Great Book of Amber and other Zelazny titles are available (for the moment!) on the Kindle store. Rumour has that someone is screaming blue murder over this so it may not be available for long...
They are not legal eBooks and you won't know the quality until you pull the plug and buy. So you are risking your money on what could be a crappy copy.
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'Cause it's unauthorised, of course. No matter how many times they put it back up. You'd really think Amazon could do something preemptively to keep them off until they actually are authorised.

I really wish some were legitimately available, though.
Amazon CAN do something about this problem. What Amazon can do is validate all uploaded eBooks before they are allowed to be in the system. I know this takes time and has to be done by hand, but it would stop illegal eBooks from being sold.

I'm just waiting until someone with the legal rights to the illegal eBook(s) SOLD on Amazon to sue the heck out of Amazon. Amazon is at fault because they allowed these illegal eBooks to be put up for sale and then proceeded to sell them.
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Old 06-30-2014, 03:25 AM   #113
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Amazon CAN do something about this problem. What Amazon can do is validate all uploaded eBooks before they are allowed to be in the system. I know this takes time and has to be done by hand, but it would stop illegal eBooks from being sold.
Do any other eBook stores do this? None that I know of. How can they be expected to verify the copyright holder for every book sold on their site, seems unrealistic to me if not impossible to some extent.

The cost could be huge and you still wouldn't catch everything.
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Old 06-30-2014, 11:17 AM   #114
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Do any other eBook stores do this? None that I know of. How can they be expected to verify the copyright holder for every book sold on their site, seems unrealistic to me if not impossible to some extent.

The cost could be huge and you still wouldn't catch everything.
But I do think Amazon could be liable for selling illegal eBooks and the only way to prevent this is to verify each eBook uploaded.
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But I do think Amazon could be liable for selling illegal eBooks and the only way to prevent this is to verify each eBook uploaded.
How can they verify confidential business transactions? There is no central registry of copyright owners: if someone signs a legally-binding declaration that they have the legal right to distribute a book (which is an upload has to do when they upload a book to Amazon), there's no practical way to verify that they're telling the truth.
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How can they verify confidential business transactions? There is no central registry of copyright owners: if someone signs a legally-binding declaration that they have the legal right to distribute a book (which is an upload has to do when they upload a book to Amazon), there's no practical way to verify that they're telling the truth.
Maybe the person posting the eBook(s) should be made to send in proof of copyright along with the eBook(s).
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Maybe the person posting the eBook(s) should be made to send in proof of copyright along with the eBook(s).
What people are trying to say is that there's no such thing.
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Maybe the person posting the eBook(s) should be made to send in proof of copyright along with the eBook(s).
What sort of proof? If I make a declaration that I've obtained the rights to distribute a book from the estate of someone who died 50 years ago, what would you accept of proof of that? Such things are not recorded anywhere. There is no "proof" other than personal declarations. You're asking for something that simply doesn't exist.
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What sort of proof? If I make a declaration that I've obtained the rights to distribute a book from the estate of someone who died 50 years ago, what would you accept of proof of that? Such things are not recorded anywhere. There is no "proof" other than personal declarations. You're asking for something that simply doesn't exist.
That is one of the reasons for the "safe harbor" provisions in the DMCA and similar laws. Nobody can prevent every last possible instance, all they can do is try to minimize them. The onus falls on the uploader, not the retailer, as long as the retailer takes reasonable steps to minimize violations and respond to challenges in a timely fashion. Amazon does both.
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I wish there WAS a registry of current copyright holders. It would make finding the rightsholder of orphaned works much easier. Right now it often takes a legal department a long time to track down who can autherize publication 50 years after the author has died and 70 years since he last had contact with a publisher. A registry would be wonderful. There are so many books that no one knows who owns them anymore including the owners.
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