LRF and wrap-around text

Seabound · 12-20-2008, 06:33 AM

Experts, is it possible to wrap text around figures in the LRF format? I've tried to convert html with text wrapping around figures to LRF, and the LRF lost the wrapping. I just want to make sure I'm not missing a trick to make the wrapping possible.

kiklop74 · 12-20-2008, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Seabound

Experts, is it possible to wrap text around figures in the LRF format? I've tried to convert html with text wrapping around figures to LRF, and the LRF lost the wrapping. I just want to make sure I'm not missing a trick to make the wrapping possible.

AFAIK no. I was newer able to get that effect.

Seabound · 12-20-2008, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kiklop74

AFAIK no. I was newer able to get that effect.

Ah, thank you, kiklop. That's what I thought.

kovidgoyal · 12-20-2008, 01:18 PM

It is possible with hand written LRF but no automatic conversion tool does it as far as I know.

Seabound · 12-20-2008, 09:35 PM

Thanks for the info, Kovid. I wish LRF weren't so arcane.

llasram · 12-22-2008, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Seabound

Thanks for the info, Kovid. I wish LRF weren't so arcane.

Not to sound like a broken record, but why not use EPUB instead? AdobeDE definitely supports the CSS 'float' property.

Seabound · 12-22-2008, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by llasram

Not to sound like a broken record, but why not use EPUB instead? AdobeDE definitely supports the CSS 'float' property.

I did try it. While the text did wrap around figures in ePub, the other html formatting disappeared, like tables and centering.

llasram · 12-22-2008, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Seabound

I did try it. While the text did wrap around figures in ePub, the other html formatting disappeared, like tables and centering.

Bizarre -- that shouldn't happen, as EPUB content *is* HTML content. Is the source document something you could post?

Seabound · 12-23-2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by llasram

Bizarre -- that shouldn't happen, as EPUB content *is* HTML content. Is the source document something you could post?

I should point out that the formatting is lost in the Sony reader and in the Sony library viewer. The formatting remains intact in calibre's viewer. For example:

In CSS, one has

H1,H2,H3,H4,H5,H6 { text-align: center; }

In the body, one has

<H5>CHAPTER I</H5>

When I convert to ePub using calibre, "CHAPTER I" is centered when viewed with calibre. With the same ePub file viewed with the Sony library viewer and the Sony reader, "CHAPTER I" is left-justified. What appears perfectly in a browser and in LRF does not in an ePub conversion. I don't want to have another html file just for ePub conversion. I'm quite happy with the LRF conversion, despite no wrap-around text.

llasram · 12-23-2008, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Seabound

When I convert to ePub using calibre, "CHAPTER I" is centered when viewed with calibre. With the same ePub file viewed with the Sony library viewer and the Sony reader, "CHAPTER I" is left-justified.

The problem is that your XHTML+CSS is incorrect in a way that calibre is working around, but AdobeDE is not. The correct tag is not <H1>, but <h1> -- capitalization in XML is relevant and all XHTML tags are lower case. Given how many other buggy things AdobeDE accepts, it seems kind of strange they don't accept this, but if you correctly lowercase all your tags in your markup and CSS, it'll work.

Seabound · 12-23-2008, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by llasram

The problem is that your XHTML+CSS is incorrect in a way that calibre is working around, but AdobeDE is not. The correct tag is not <H1>, but <h1> -- capitalization in XML is relevant and all XHTML tags are lower case. Given how many other buggy things AdobeDE accepts, it seems kind of strange they don't accept this, but if you correctly lowercase all your tags in your markup and CSS, it'll work.

Well, it seems AdobeDE accepts caps in the markups but not in CSS.

I don't think it's strange at all. It's AdobeDE, after all.

tompe · 12-27-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Seabound

Well, it seems AdobeDE accepts caps in the markups but not in CSS.

I don't think it's strange at all. It's AdobeDE, after all.

I think XML should be treated stricter than HTML so this is not surprising. And tools should warn when they fix buggy code. If calibre did not warn then I think this is a bug that will lead to the problems you had.

llasram · 12-28-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tompe

I think XML should be treated stricter than HTML so this is not surprising. And tools should warn when they fix buggy code. If calibre did not warn then I think this is a bug that will lead to the problems you had.

That's a good idea... Calibre is currently silently lower-casing the markup but not the CSS. When I created an EPUB with my own spit-and-bailing-wire pipeline mis-capitalization in either the XHTML or CSS would cause ADE not to style the content.

kovidgoyal · 12-28-2008, 03:30 PM

lower casing all tag names in the CSS should certainly be relatively easy to do.

12-20-2008, 06:33 AM	#1
Seabound Steerage Class Posts: 711 Karma: 505995 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest, USA Device: Won't fit here anymore, see sig for a list of liseuses.	LRF and wrap-around text Experts, is it possible to wrap text around figures in the LRF format? I've tried to convert html with text wrapping around figures to LRF, and the LRF lost the wrapping. I just want to make sure I'm not missing a trick to make the wrapping possible.

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12-20-2008, 01:18 PM	#4
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,843 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	It is possible with hand written LRF but no automatic conversion tool does it as far as I know.

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Seabound Steerage Class Posts: 711 Karma: 505995 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest, USA Device: Won't fit here anymore, see sig for a list of liseuses.	Thanks for the info, Kovid. I wish LRF weren't so arcane.

12-28-2008, 03:30 PM	#14
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,843 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	lower casing all tag names in the CSS should certainly be relatively easy to do.