Glo Margin Problem

dixieknits · 08-07-2013, 03:47 PM

I'm unable to set the margin on any books I've sideloaded using Calibre. The text goes right to the edge of the screen no matter where I set it in the Glo settings. Would this be a Calibre problem or a Glo problem. I have quite a few sideloaded books, that I cannot format the margins on. The line spacing and font sizes do change properly.
Thanks

DNSB · 08-07-2013, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dixieknits

I'm unable to set the margin on any books I've sideloaded using Calibre. The text goes right to the edge of the screen no matter where I set it in the Glo settings. Would this be a Calibre problem or a Glo problem. I have quite a few sideloaded books, that I cannot format the margins on. The line spacing and font sizes do change properly.
Thanks

That's an interesting problem. I never did find a way to override the margin sliders on the Kobo ereaders. Is there a public domain ebook that shows that behaviour that you can upload here so I can take a look at it?

Regards,
David

jackie_w · 08-07-2013, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dixieknits

I'm unable to set the margin on any books I've sideloaded using Calibre. The text goes right to the edge of the screen no matter where I set it in the Glo settings. Would this be a Calibre problem or a Glo problem. I have quite a few sideloaded books, that I cannot format the margins on. The line spacing and font sizes do change properly.
Thanks

Check your calibre Preferences, specifically Prefs - Common Options - Page Setup - Margins. If you want to be able to use the Kobo sliders on calibre-converted epubs it's best to have a setting of No margin, for both Left and Right. It sounds like maybe you have yours set at 0pt which is likely to result in Kobo fixed left/right page margins which don't respond to the slider.

If you reconvert epub-epub in calibre for a particular book, be aware that calibre remembers all the conversion settings you had previously for that book so you will probably also need to double-check the margins set in Convert - Page Setup for the reconversion of that particular book.

There is also another option. If you have installed the calibre 'Modify Epub' plugin, one of its many options is Modify @page and body margin styles. Using this you can select as many epubs as you like and set all 4 page margins to match your calibre Prefs - Common Options - Page Setup - Margins in one go. It may take a long time to run if your library is large. Forewarned is forearmed

dixieknits · 08-08-2013, 10:29 AM

Thankyou, will experiment today and report back. If that does not work, I'll look for a public domain book that has the problem and figure how to get it to you..
ps.. there are never more than 3 or 4 in my library, so it shouldn't be a problem time wise.

dixieknits · 08-08-2013, 01:17 PM

This is what I 've found. Any book I put through Calibre, the margin slide will NOT work at all. I can set the margin for 15-19 pt and get a small margin which is ok..Thankyou for the help. I kept looking for a setting called opt thinking you meant opt as option and finally realized you meant 0 point.. I did find the no margin and it does nothing all to allow the slide to work.
Not being sure if my free for Kobe or Kindle books are freedomain or just free to me, I downloaded one from our library here. It is called The Golden Slipper by Anna Katherine Green. The margin sliders work perfectly if I drag and drop through Windows 7. If I put in Calibre and change the margin to "no margin" I have just that, no margins or margin slide. I'll be glad to upload back up using a different name or send to you if that is allowed.
Thanks for you help with this ... frustrating, because it's my first glitch Kobo and not real techie...

John F · 08-08-2013, 01:28 PM

Maybe try the "Filter Style Information" on the "Look and feel" window?

jackie_w · 08-08-2013, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dixieknits

This is what I 've found. Any book I put through Calibre, the margin slide will NOT work at all. I can set the margin for 15-19 pt and get a small margin which is ok..Thankyou for the help. I kept looking for a setting called opt thinking you meant opt as option and finally realized you meant 0 point.. I did find the no margin and it does nothing all to allow the slide to work.
Not being sure if my free for Kobe or Kindle books are freedomain or just free to me, I downloaded one from our library here. It is called The Golden Slipper by Anna Katherine Green. The margin sliders work perfectly if I drag and drop through Windows 7. If I put in Calibre and change the margin to "no margin" I have just that, no margins or margin slide. I'll be glad to upload back up using a different name or send to you if that is allowed.
Thanks for you help with this ... frustrating, because it's my first glitch Kobo and not real techie...

I've just downloaded and tried The Golden Slipper. It appears the calibre reconvert epub-to-epub doesn't help (I'll correct my previous post). However, the Modify Epub plugin does work very well. So this is the way forward.

Have you ever installed any of calibre's optional plugins, previously? If you don't understand the question - the answer is probably 'No'

In which case I'll try to write a step-by-step on what you need to do. It's very quick & easy to do, no tech knowledge required. As usual, reading the step-by-step will take longer than actually doing the steps.

@ JohnF,
Whilst your suggestion should work, it's a bit extreme (IMHO) to cure the left/right margin slider problem, as it will obliterate all margins inside the epub which could ruin the styling of many epubs.

Ripplinger · 08-08-2013, 02:10 PM

I downloaded the free book from ManyBooks.net and no matter how I change it, the epub always lets the slider adjust the margins. The original download specified 0 for left and right margins and I can change the margins on the reader. If I convert epub-to-epub and remove the margin references, it still lets the slider work to change the margins.

Are you using .kepub format and that format is pickier about having to remove the margin references if you want the slider to work to adjust margins?

jackie_w · 08-08-2013, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ripplinger

I downloaded the free book from ManyBooks.net and no matter how I change it, the epub always lets the slider adjust the margins. The original download specified 0 for left and right margins and I can change the margins on the reader. If I convert epub-to-epub and remove the margin references, it still lets the slider work to change the margins.

The version in the MR library has body L/R margins set at 15px. But you're quite right, on rechecking the unadulterated original I see that no changes at all were necessary to make this particular epub work with the Kobo margins slider because the Kobo is able to override the existing 15px settings. The Modify Epub plugin also deletes the 15px margins, but in this case, although harmless, is not required.

If an epub has been through a calibre-conversion it is unlikely that the Kobo slider will be able to override the L/R page margins. At the moment the only way I can see to selectively remove only those side margins which are stopping the slider working is by manually editing the epub before sending to Kobo. I'm not sure the OP wanted to get into all that, though.

dixieknits · 08-08-2013, 04:24 PM

Ok, Mofidfy epub is successfully installed. I wonder why one needs a plug in to make it's settings work.. Strange. Will try..

dixieknits · 08-09-2013, 09:07 AM

Modify epub does nothing to enable the margin slider on the Glo. Another interesting, thing, my daughter and son in law came by for dinner and the margins work fine on his Nook Simple Touch, though there is no slide only 3 to choose from..

chromedome · 08-09-2013, 10:09 AM

I don't seem to have problems with the margins or fonts on my glo. I leave "Disable font size rescaling" un-checked (which is contrary to advice I've read elsewhere ). In the "Extra CSS" tab I have "body {orphans: 0; widows: 0}"
and in the "Filter Style Information" tab I check the first three toggle boxes. "Fonts", "Margins" and "Padding".

Hope this helps, I don't know where I picked up the settings (probably the Calibre forum) but they work for me. I mostly convert Mobi's to E-Pub though, not sure whether that makes a difference.

Just for clarity, with these settings I can adjust the margins on all my side-loaded e-pubs

jackie_w · 08-09-2013, 10:28 AM

@dixieknits,

That's the conclusion I reached in the last paragraph of post #9.

I would have thought that the reconvert option I struck out in post #3 ought to work but clearly it doesn't. Whether this is a calibre bug I don't know.

Currently the only options I can think of are, for any epub which isn't working, either:

- Manually edit the left/right margins in the css file, using Sigil or calibre Tweak ebook. This isn't difficult if you're familiar with html/css

- Use John F's suggestion. But be aware that this may cause other styling problems which are worse than the original

In either case you'd need to resend the updated epub to the Kobo afterwards.

GeoffR · 08-09-2013, 11:24 PM

Just a note on removing margins with the Modify Epub plugin: Normally if you have the left/right margins set in body then the plugin will remove/change them to match your preferred settings in Calibre. But it doesn't seem to be able to remove margins that are part of a CSS class, only directly from a body {} statement. This means it doesn't remove margins for Calibre created/converted books, because calibre uses a class for everything.

e.g. Modify Epub will work fine if the book has a statement like this in the stylesheet:

Code:

body {margin-left:5pt;margin-right:5pt}

But if it has a class in the stylesheet like this:

Code:

.calibre1 {margin-left:5pt;margin-right:5pt}

and the HTML usues it to set the margins as in:

Code:

<body class="calibre1">

then Modify Epub won't work for those margins.

dixieknits · 08-10-2013, 08:22 AM

Thank ALL of you for your generous time and help.
This is a review I think of above..

1. Any book I had converted or sent to Kobo with Calibre had No Margins at all and the slider didnt' work.
2. Using the Margin Setting in Calibre at 15-17 pt. I am able to get a nice margin for what I like.
3. The KoboGlo margin slide still will not work, but I can read the book nicely.
4. Added Modify epub and still slider will not work but can make global margins.
5. I don't really understand Sigil and don't want to go much deeper.
6. Really happy with how to make a nice margin, Solution, do it and read the book.
Don't worry over slider, never really used it anyway.
7. Thanks again..This is a huge help for me. I hated no margins and I don't like Kepubs
with the strange paragraph numbering style. (why did they do that?)
Dixie ( still loving my Glo)

08-07-2013, 03:47 PM	#1
dixieknits Addict Posts: 283 Karma: 1011418 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: Kindle 3, Nook Color	Margin Problem I'm unable to set the margin on any books I've sideloaded using Calibre. The text goes right to the edge of the screen no matter where I set it in the Glo settings. Would this be a Calibre problem or a Glo problem. I have quite a few sideloaded books, that I cannot format the margins on. The line spacing and font sizes do change properly. Thanks

08-08-2013, 01:28 PM	#6
John F Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,170 Karma: 63764653 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: Kobo Glo HD	Maybe try the "Filter Style Information" on the "Look and feel" window? Attached Thumbnails

08-09-2013, 10:09 AM	#12
chromedome Enthusiast Posts: 34 Karma: 66208 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: UK Device: Voyage, PW2, Kobo Glo (KK, Sony PRS600)	I don't seem to have problems with the margins or fonts on my glo. I leave "Disable font size rescaling" un-checked (which is contrary to advice I've read elsewhere ). In the "Extra CSS" tab I have "body {orphans: 0; widows: 0}" and in the "Filter Style Information" tab I check the first three toggle boxes. "Fonts", "Margins" and "Padding". Hope this helps, I don't know where I picked up the settings (probably the Calibre forum) but they work for me. I mostly convert Mobi's to E-Pub though, not sure whether that makes a difference. Just for clarity, with these settings I can adjust the margins on all my side-loaded e-pubs Last edited by chromedome; 08-10-2013 at 02:56 PM. Reason: An after-thought for clarity

08-09-2013, 11:24 PM	#14
GeoffR Wizard Posts: 3,821 Karma: 19162882 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Te Riu-a-Māui Device: Kobo Glo	Just a note on removing margins with the Modify Epub plugin: Normally if you have the left/right margins set in body then the plugin will remove/change them to match your preferred settings in Calibre. But it doesn't seem to be able to remove margins that are part of a CSS class, only directly from a body {} statement. This means it doesn't remove margins for Calibre created/converted books, because calibre uses a class for everything. e.g. Modify Epub will work fine if the book has a statement like this in the stylesheet: Code: body {margin-left:5pt;margin-right:5pt} But if it has a class in the stylesheet like this: Code: .calibre1 {margin-left:5pt;margin-right:5pt} and the HTML usues it to set the margins as in: Code: <body class="calibre1"> then Modify Epub won't work for those margins.

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08-08-2013, 10:29 AM	#4
dixieknits Addict Posts: 283 Karma: 1011418 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: Kindle 3, Nook Color	Thankyou, will experiment today and report back. If that does not work, I'll look for a public domain book that has the problem and figure how to get it to you.. ps.. there are never more than 3 or 4 in my library, so it shouldn't be a problem time wise.

08-08-2013, 01:17 PM	#5
dixieknits Addict Posts: 283 Karma: 1011418 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: Kindle 3, Nook Color	This is what I 've found. Any book I put through Calibre, the margin slide will NOT work at all. I can set the margin for 15-19 pt and get a small margin which is ok..Thankyou for the help. I kept looking for a setting called opt thinking you meant opt as option and finally realized you meant 0 point.. I did find the no margin and it does nothing all to allow the slide to work. Not being sure if my free for Kobe or Kindle books are freedomain or just free to me, I downloaded one from our library here. It is called The Golden Slipper by Anna Katherine Green. The margin sliders work perfectly if I drag and drop through Windows 7. If I put in Calibre and change the margin to "no margin" I have just that, no margins or margin slide. I'll be glad to upload back up using a different name or send to you if that is allowed. Thanks for you help with this ... frustrating, because it's my first glitch Kobo and not real techie...

08-08-2013, 02:10 PM	#8
Ripplinger 350 Hoarder Posts: 3,574 Karma: 8281267 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Midwest USA Device: Sony PRS-350, Kobo Glo & Glo HD, PW2	I downloaded the free book from ManyBooks.net and no matter how I change it, the epub always lets the slider adjust the margins. The original download specified 0 for left and right margins and I can change the margins on the reader. If I convert epub-to-epub and remove the margin references, it still lets the slider work to change the margins. Are you using .kepub format and that format is pickier about having to remove the margin references if you want the slider to work to adjust margins?

08-08-2013, 04:24 PM	#10
dixieknits Addict Posts: 283 Karma: 1011418 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: Kindle 3, Nook Color	Ok, Mofidfy epub is successfully installed. I wonder why one needs a plug in to make it's settings work.. Strange. Will try..

08-09-2013, 09:07 AM	#11
dixieknits Addict Posts: 283 Karma: 1011418 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: Kindle 3, Nook Color	Modify epub does nothing to enable the margin slider on the Glo. Another interesting, thing, my daughter and son in law came by for dinner and the margins work fine on his Nook Simple Touch, though there is no slide only 3 to choose from..

08-09-2013, 10:28 AM	#13
jackie_w Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,212 Karma: 16534894 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: UK Device: Kobo: KA1, ClaraHD, Forma, Libra2, Clara2E. PocketBook: TouchHD3	@dixieknits, That's the conclusion I reached in the last paragraph of post #9. I would have thought that the reconvert option I struck out in post #3 ought to work but clearly it doesn't. Whether this is a calibre bug I don't know. Currently the only options I can think of are, for any epub which isn't working, either: - Manually edit the left/right margins in the css file, using Sigil or calibre Tweak ebook. This isn't difficult if you're familiar with html/css - Use John F's suggestion. But be aware that this may cause other styling problems which are worse than the original In either case you'd need to resend the updated epub to the Kobo afterwards.

08-10-2013, 08:22 AM	#15
dixieknits Addict Posts: 283 Karma: 1011418 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: Kindle 3, Nook Color	Thank ALL of you for your generous time and help. This is a review I think of above.. 1. Any book I had converted or sent to Kobo with Calibre had No Margins at all and the slider didnt' work. 2. Using the Margin Setting in Calibre at 15-17 pt. I am able to get a nice margin for what I like. 3. The KoboGlo margin slide still will not work, but I can read the book nicely. 4. Added Modify epub and still slider will not work but can make global margins. 5. I don't really understand Sigil and don't want to go much deeper. 6. Really happy with how to make a nice margin, Solution, do it and read the book. Don't worry over slider, never really used it anyway. 7. Thanks again..This is a huge help for me. I hated no margins and I don't like Kepubs with the strange paragraph numbering style. (why did they do that?) Dixie ( still loving my Glo)

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