Big 6 decline to renew with Amazon

[RDaneel54]

NYT link worked for me. They have limited non-subscribers to only 10 articles, though.

They are called "the newspaper of record" by some. I never read it unless linked there by someone.

[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by RDaneel54

NYT link worked for me. They have limited non-subscribers to only 10 articles, though.

They are called "the newspaper of record" by some. I never read it unless linked there by someone.

I guess I'm 10 articled out.

[GeckoFriend]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Meh... ain't worth more than maybe a papaya or two.

One papaya is worth much more than five bananas

[ProfCrash]

I stopped using the Times when they limited access.

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Can we please find other sources of the news other then the New York Times as most of us cannot get in to read the articles? Thanks.

10 free every month Use private browsing if not work right.

[emellaich]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Can we please find other sources of the news other then the New York Times as most of us cannot get in to read the articles? Thanks.

Two things on this.
1) I think the NYT advertises that you can get up to 10 (formerly 20) free articles a week. I suspect that your difference between the two visits could be that you hit your limit. If this is true, and if you weren't logged in, then its probably due to a cookie. So deleting the cookie or installing a cookie manager might change this. I know this isn't a great solution, I'm just suggesting that its something to try.

2) When I saw this thread, I remembered reading about this Amazon announcement. However, a google search proved to have a tough time locating the announcement. This NYT source was the only one that I saw that referenced the announcement.

[ScotiaBurrell]

comments have interestng thinkers

If publishers want to keep Amazon from pricing E-Books exclusively, they need to create an open platform in which all E-Books run on all readers, not unlike VCRs and DVD players, or music players. Then they need to find multiple venues to sell them.

The current publishing model is bloated and inefficient. Collusion to maintain existing market structures is the sort of thing that got Greece and other such countries into trouble when they made public policy decisions to protect the status quo from disruptive innovation. If Amazon becomes a problem then the Justice Department can deal with them at that time, but right now Amazon's only crime is being too good at driving down costs and helping the consumer in the fact of a calcified publishing industry.

perhaps the day of the paper book is drawing to a close. As it did for buggy whips, horse and carriages and the telegraph. It is the march of progress that the newer and better replaces the traditional, which was much more expensive to produce, ship and handle.

I think of all the trees that are NOT getting cut down for my books. All that ink. All the gas and wear on the roads to ship the books to the distributors and the stores. All the waste, all the raw materials that the e-book has made, or will soon make, unnecessary.

Such is progress. And every time technology has progressed, hordes of people whined about what they were "losing".

Sorry, I don't miss my old scratchy 33 RPM records, nor my 8-track tape, nor my video cassettes and I will not miss my paper books. Not at all.

What will be our fate as a country when we have no booksellers left? In France the government protects small bookstores by mandating that books cannot be discounted by more than 5 percent. This is not a commodity like oil but an industry that must be maintained and protected -- at this point it may be more akin to an endangered species -- or we will lose what remaining bookstores we have.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

The link to the New York Times article works just fine for me. And I have no NYTimes account. I'm not sure what the complaints are.

If you try to view it a second time, it doesn't work and eventually, it won't work a first time.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

If you try to view it a second time, it doesn't work and eventually, it won't work a first time.

But I did try it a second time, and a third and a fourth. No prob. But assuming other posts are right... I could look at that article as many time as I want. As long as I don't look at more than nine other NYT articles in a month.

EDIT: I just checked again. Still working.

[TechnoCat]

Originally Posted by Suzanna

Most people don't concern themselves with the whys and wherefores surrounding the publishing industry.... They just go to a store and if they don't see something they want, they'll be pissed off at the vendor and look for the product elsewhere.

See, my world is different. Nobody I know acts that way, and I don't believe your siblings do either. When you went to a Border or B&N, you would be looking for a few things, often finding none or few, but also looking for something new. You probably always left with something.

And we do that with the Fire too. In a few cases, we want a specific something - the next Terry Pratchett, or the next in some other series - but usually people already are reading many. I doubt Amazon will suffer.

Example, I read to my wife nightly. Currently, most evenings, it's a Jewish joke book. (She's Jewish.) We didn't really care which such book. That's how it works.

[Suzanna]

Originally Posted by TechnoCat

See, my world is different. Nobody I know acts that way, and I don't believe your siblings do either. When you went to a Border or B&N, you would be looking for a few things, often finding none or few, but also looking for something new. You probably always left with something.

That would all depend on whether they were just browsing or looking for something in particular. If they're just browsing, then yes, they'll likely pick something else up. If they're looking for the newest Stephen King or J.D. Robb book and it's not there, they'll look for it elsewhere. If no one did that, and they always ended up buying something, anything from the store they're currently browsing, why would Amazon cave and put back the Macmillan buy buttons after 24 hours? Wouldn't Amazon have ended up winning the war pre-Agency model if they'd just toughed it out and waited for all their customers to buy other products, showing Macmillan they didn't really need their books in the Amazon store after all?

[Fluribus]

The last dust-up led to Amazon caving. The books got pulled. Amazon customers screamed, "Where are the ______ books????" Amazon surrendered.

The Amazon forum has been replete with complaints saying, "Why are ebooks so expensive? I bought a Kindle to save money. Amazon is ripping us off!!!!"

[ProfCrash]

Today the millions of people whose first Kindle is the Kindle 3, K4, KT have no history with the $9.99 price point. That went away 2 years ago. Most Kindle owners have paid sales tax on all of their books the entire time they owned their Kindles. Different users, different expectations.

[JoeD]

Originally Posted by Suzanna

Wouldn't Amazon have ended up winning the war pre-Agency model if they'd just toughed it out and waited for all their customers to buy other products, showing Macmillan they didn't really need their books in the Amazon store after all?

I think Amazon knew that the rest of the big publishers were backing Macmillan and would also pull their books as contracts came up for renewal, that's too big a loss to them.

As for buying something else, I've done it a couple of times, but if I go to a shop to buy a specific game or book (when I still used to shop off-line for books) and they didn't have it, I went to another store. That's one of the reasons Amazon used to get the majority of my paper book buying, it was very rare they didn't have the book I wanted available for shipping.

I think Amazon could have managed to convince customers to buy other authors had just Macmillan pulled out and in time authors would put pressure on Macmillan to get their books in the highest grossing store, but Amazon probably knew the rest of the big publishers would follow and that would likely be too big a loss.

Even more so at a time when they're still growing their user base and locking customers into the kindle. Existing customers would likely make do with the odd missing title since they can't use any other store to buy their kindle books (those who don't know or want to DRM free their books). But, if Amazon lost too many publishers, new buyers might go with non kindle devices where the stores have a wider selection.

[montalex]

Originally Posted by tubemonkey

I guess I'm 10 articled out.

Try this for NYTimes:

http://euri.ca/2011/03/get-around-ne...article-limit/