11-17-2012, 07:12 PM | #586 |
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And it is fair to think that one reason for that is Apple's willingness to sue anybody who makes a device that does resemble the iPhone. So in that regard, they have achieved their objective.
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11-17-2012, 07:22 PM | #587 | |
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Are UI elements, software features, and visual design cues aspects of product differentiation? Yes or no? Does differentiation make a product more attractive to a target market? Yes or no? If those UI elements, software features, and visual design cues are copied by a competitor, are their products less differentiated than before? Yes or no? |
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All works inspired by other works are to some degree derivative. So, no need to play semantic games. It just derails the discussion. In this case, the Apple store is very derivative which equals a rip off. Quote:
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As for a "solid closed volume at one edge" not sure how that makes the exterior of the Rose Center any less similar to the exterior of the Apple store. To the contrary, the closed space at one edge is very similar in feel to the closed wall at the rear of the Apple store. Quote:
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11-17-2012, 08:53 PM | #590 |
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Well, if that was their objective, why didn't they sue 2 years ago, when the Galaxy S came out? And why are they trying to include models which bear no resemblance whatsoever, like the S III and the Note?
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Wrong, where did I say so? Once more, you are putting words in people's mouths. I do not deny that Samsung benchmarked their phones against the iphone (and most likely others). They probably improved the phones as a result of those benchmarks (not only against the iphone), but it was not "blatant copy". The bottom line is that there was no sales loss to apple as a result, which is what they've been claiming all along, and the question you refuse to answer, over and over again. We know why.
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Slide 126 is particularly amusing, as it contains two recommendations to copy iOS icons followed by one to "remove a feeling that iPhone's menu icons are copied by differentiating design." |
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You may be getting ahead of yourself, though. Unfortunately, you haven't yet understood that Samsung's internal documents recommended copying the iPhone, recommendations which they later implemented. We'll keep posting slides until you do. (Click for original size) 84. Messaging — SMS In the Abc mode of the text message entry system, additional latin characters such as 'À, Ê, Ï, Õ' cannot be entered
iPhone: When A is long pressed in the ABC mode, additional Latin characters (German, French, and Spanish) can be immediately typed in S1: Input language must be changed to German, French, Spanish, etc. in order to enter additional Latin characters Directions for improvement: Modification requested to enable input of additional Latin characters directly from the Abc mode as in iPhone * * * (The "as in iPhone" is a nice touch) |
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Does anybody here believe that apple didn't have a stack of phones from competing companies while they designed the iphone, so they could benchmark their products against what was out there? How is what Samsung did any different? Only in that we haven't had access to the apple documents. |
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Nonsense. Take the first 10: 1) A recommendation to support landscape mode (which, by the way, is a basic function that Sony/Nokia hold the patent for). 2) Make the daily schedule display area larger to make text more legible 3) Increase size of type on dial screen to make it more legible 4) Make the Hold button end a call. 5) Correct an error in existing UI so that duplicate icons can't appear. 6) Correct an error in existing UI where keyboard overlaps text fields. 7) Better indicate the status of a loading screen by placing the word "loading" in the middle of the screen (a common-sense functional improvement) 8) Remove clutter on results page by giving option to easily delete unnecessary search results 9) Remove clutter on certain search result screens by removing unnecessary icons. 10) Give the weather app the option to add other countries Correcting UI errors, improving legibility and status indicators, and streamlining screens by clearing off clutter can hardly be considered "copying" an iPhone UI feature. So basically you're left with 3 items out of the first 10 at most that can be considered a recommendation to duplicate an iPhone UI feature. A 30% rate at best based on this sampling. That's way off your original statement that there were "recommendations to copy almost every UI element." Still, a mischaracterization. Quote:
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Ironically, this last recommendation was ignored, as Samsung more closely imitated iOS icons over time. For instance, the S1 icon for the phone app on the S1 is a dialpad; in later models, a phone handset, nearly identical to Apple's. The contacts icon on the S1 is a phone handset; in later models, a book adorned with a silhouette of a man's head and shoulders, nearly identical to the iOS contacts app. Last edited by holymadness; 11-17-2012 at 11:08 PM. |
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And yet here I am, participating. Weird. Answering (or more accurately, refusing to answer) a direct question with a question is pretty much the definition of weasel words. |
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At any rate, one phone icon does not a "copy" make in terms of the entire interface. And it doesn't change the fact that the intent of the document was more to correct and improve rather than to "copy." --Pat |
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