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Old 08-28-2014, 03:25 PM   #631
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I don't discount anything and I never said how much cheaper they are. Even if it's only $0.75 cheaper than a paperback or $2 cheaper than a hardcover; they're still cheaper to produce.
Hum. I thought that you didn't pay _anything_ for ebooks? Why are you concerned with ebooks being $8.00 rather than $7.25?
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Hum. I thought that you didn't pay _anything_ for ebooks? Why are you concerned with ebooks being $8.00 rather than $7.25?
For the same reason I care about other things I don't do. Whether or not I do something, has no bearing on my support for what I believe to be fair. For example; I'm not gay nor do I smoke marijuana, yet I voted to legalize gay marriage and marijuana use in my home state.
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Interesting arguments here. Relating to the topic, it seems to me there are two worlds here: those that want cheaper books (and who doesn't) and those who do not want a monolithic source for ebooks. My concern here is that ebooks make up such a small portion of the reading market ... So will greed kill the industry before it gains a critical mass amongst readers. Also, will we become device bound ... If Kobo leaves the market, as has Sony and the verdict is still awaiting the Nook with its ties to Samsung, will the Kindle be the only viable choice left in North America .... Thus back to the monolithic source again. I fear that if Kobo and Amazon can't make money here in North America .... Then who can.

I am torn on this issue. We all want cheaper books, but at what cost.
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Interesting arguments here. Relating to the topic, it seems to me there are two worlds here: those that want cheaper books (and who doesn't) and those who do not want a monolithic source for ebooks. My concern here is that ebooks make up such a small portion of the reading market ... So will greed kill the industry before it gains a critical mass amongst readers. Also, will we become device bound ... If Kobo leaves the market, as has Sony and the verdict is still awaiting the Nook with its ties to Samsung, will the Kindle be the only viable choice left in North America .... Thus back to the monolithic source again. I fear that if Kobo and Amazon can't make money here in North America .... Then who can.

I am torn on this issue. We all want cheaper books, but at what cost.
I prefer sell prices to be set by the retailer, not the wholesaler or producer. We have anti-trust laws in place to deal with companies who stray. After that, let the market slug it out.
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I prefer sell prices to be set by the retailer, not the wholesaler or producer. We have anti-trust laws in place to deal with companies who stray. After that, let the market slug it out.
Where would you place Apple in this .... Do not they as a producer set the prices for their products?
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Where would you place Apple in this .... Do not they as a producer set the prices for their products?
They do set prices and I disagree with it. That said, I would never support laws that would prevent them from doing so. If Hachette doesn't like Amazon setting prices, then Hachette should pull their catalog and go elsewhere. Likewise, if Amazon doesn't like Hachette setting prices, then Amazon should refuse to sell Hachette titles. Very simple. What's going on now is tough contract negotiations between two large multinational corporations. Eventually the dust will settle and there'll be compromises on both sides.
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I think you discount the labor costs that are the same regardless of if it's ebook or pbook. According to this article, by an author, the actually printing cost of an $8 pbook book is 75 cents or around 10% of the total price.

http://www.davidderrico.com/cost-bre...printed-books/
Not that printing costs are the only costs however. You also have shipping and warehousing. Inventory management, returns for HC's or toss aways for PB's. All of which are part of the cost exclusive to pbooks.

(I'd also bet with the smaller print runs a lot of books get now plus the higher costs of paper each year that the per unit is a little higher than $.75)
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Unless the BWM's get their act together very quickly and come up with a competitive business model they are doomed.
After all the time I spend here, I'm ashamed to admit that I don't know what BWM stands for. Going by this post, and context, it probably has something to do with being a big publisher. But before I reply, and, not for the first time, make a fool of myself, can someone tell me what those initials stand for? Hopefully, it's nothing obscene

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I Think it is a play on BMW thus meaning Big Whoooping Moneymaker. Could be wrong though these acronyms tend to take on a Life of their own.
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After all the time I spend here, I'm ashamed to admit that I don't know what BWM stands for. Going by this post, and context, it probably has something to do with being a big publisher. But before I reply, and, not for the first time, make a fool of myself, can someone tell me what those initials stand for? Hopefully, it's nothing obscene

Thanks in advance.
I'm pretty sure it stands for "Buggy Whip Maker"

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After all the time I spend here, I'm ashamed to admit that I don't know what BWM stands for. Going by this post, and context, it probably has something to do with being a big publisher. But before I reply, and, not for the first time, make a fool of myself, can someone tell me what those initials stand for? Hopefully, it's nothing obscene

Thanks in advance.
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How about if Amazon just lets Hachette price as it wish, and then competes against them with Amazon Publishing and Kindle Direct Publishing? If the alleged buggy whip maker dies, what's the problem, since you never liked them anyway?
And thankyou for the phrase buggy whip makers. I propose that henceforth users of this forum use this term abbreviated to BWM instead of BPH.
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Thank you. My memory is not so good.

Re buggy whip makers, a bunch of them tried becoming auto parts makers, and didn't do well:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/10/bu...digi.html?_r=0

And one buggy whip maker who stuck to its knitting while charging rather high prices -- exactly what darryl, in #616, implies will doom big publishers -- has outlived them all:

http://westfieldwhip.com/carriage.html

If the publishers really were emulating Westfield Whip, they wouldn't even be selling eBooks. Perhaps, publishing executives were so indoctrinated in the let's-make-fun-of-buggy-whip-manufacturers meme that anyone who suggested holding out again issuing titles as eBooks, at least until the same time the paperback came out, was laughed away.

This isn't meant to be an attempt to argue a point, but to broaden the discussion a bit.
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No problem. This thread has been running in mind-numbing circles for so long a little memory loss is understandable.
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