How karma at MobileRead works - Page 15

frabjous · 02-18-2009, 05:46 PM

I have some questions about Karma that unfortunately aren't made clear (to me at least) either in NatCh's post, or in the Karma Wiki entry.

Those sources make it sound as if you can just "tap" someone. But it's not that easy. When I click the little Karma button, I get a screen that looks like this:

I can fill in a comment. Great. But if I leave it as such and then click "Add to Reputation", I get this warning:

OK, this confuses me on multiple levels.

First, the original screen said that fine tuning my reputation clout was optional. But since the default is 1, which is not allowed, it's not optional at all.

Second, the warning that comes up says "give (or take)", implying that it is possible for me to take away karma, which this thread (and some others I found while searching) says I cannot.

Third, I have no clue on what grounds I should fine tune my reputation clout or what it means to do so. Over the past few days, I have changed this number from anywhere from 2 to 10000 while giving karma. While I understand that it's up to me to decide to use the karma feature, I don't really understand what the consequence of my picking a particular number is. It's not mentioned in the formula NatCh gave or in the Wiki.

Am I just terminally slow, or is this kinda confusing? All I want to do is spread some love!

thanks,
- frabjous (Penny Pincher)

zelda_pinwheel · 02-18-2009, 05:51 PM

hey penny pincher ! you appear to have stumbled upon a bug in the karma ointment. the minimum you can give is 2 points, however the maximum you can give increases depending on a number of factors (which you saw in natch's post, i'm sure). since you are new it's possible that you haven't yet built up any karma clout, which means your default (and therefore maximum : you can't give *more* than your default, only less if you choose) karma thwack is 1 point, which the system won't allow. it's a pickle ! so i'm going to thwack you myself in hopes that will bump your default up at least to 2 points, so you can give karma as you see fit. i'm also going to signal this post to alex, because that is just silly.

frabjous · 02-18-2009, 05:57 PM

Thanks, Zelda. The default still comes up as "1" even now that you've given me 40 karmic points (thanks)--which I think is what my clout should be, given the formula, but yeah, I agree, this is silly. We newbies should have at least a little clout!

zelda_pinwheel · 02-18-2009, 06:00 PM

your clout should increase quickly (it goes up with time you've been a member, posts, and your own karma number, if memory serves), and it's the thought that counts more than the number ; a lot of us are really pleased to get tiny karma thwacks from newbies because it's a sign we helped someone out. but hopefully we can change the starting number to 2 at least. it's pretty pointless to have the default be 1, if the system won't accept that...

RWood · 02-18-2009, 07:14 PM

As I remember, it will allow 1 point as long as you never touch the field. Thus if you add the comment and click "Add to Reputation" it should work. If you fiddle with the number (even if you leave it as 1) you will invoke the dial-a-karma checker that demands that you give at least two. (It also adjusts what you give -- unless you give all you can give -- to a round number.

ShortNCuddlyAm · 02-18-2009, 07:16 PM

I know when you have more than one karma to give it will let you increse that number, even though it has no effect on the karma you actually give - would that work in this case?

Patricia · 02-18-2009, 08:24 PM

Thank you for the generous thought, frabjous.

zelda_pinwheel · 02-18-2009, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShortNCuddlyAm

I know when you have more than one karma to give it will let you increse that number, even though it has no effect on the karma you actually give - would that work in this case?

yes, a test has proven that it does indeed work.

you're very clever.

frabjous · 02-19-2009, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWood

As I remember, it will allow 1 point as long as you never touch the field. Thus if you add the comment and click "Add to Reputation" it should work.

No, it doesn't work. That's what I've been trying. I never even tried fiddling with the number until it forced me to.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShortNCuddlyAm

I know when you have more than one karma to give it will let you increse that number, even though it has no effect on the karma you actually give - would that work in this case?

Yes, that does seem to work to bypass the minimum of 2 even when you can only actually give 1... though it's still a really confusing system, especially for us newbies.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patricia

Thank you for the generous thought, frabjous.

IIRC, I was trying to give you karma about advice on cleaning screens on Sony 505s. I'll give you karma for this one instead... albeit my lonely 1 point.

pshrynk · 02-19-2009, 09:10 AM

I gave frabjous karma, but more than the pitiful little 40 points that the Queen eked out. I'm just more generous that way!

Mindy · 02-19-2009, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pshrynk

I gave frabjous karma, but more than the pitiful little 40 points that the Queen eked out. I'm just more generous that way!

...and modest

RWood · 02-19-2009, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pshrynk

I gave frabjous karma, but more than the pitiful little 40 points that the Queen eked out. I'm just more generous that way!

I know, you're a great person and if I have any doubts about it I'm sure you will tell me I'm wrong.

pshrynk · 02-19-2009, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mindy

...and modest

Well, that goes without saying.

pshrynk · 02-19-2009, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWood

I know, you're a great person and if I have any doubts about it I'm sure you will tell me I'm wrong.

I like to keep my adoring public informed.

frabjous · 02-19-2009, 12:18 PM

Calooh! Callay! My clout is now four... I don't need to change the field, and I can be a karma-giving maniac like the rest of you.

Thanks to all that helped.

EDIT: Hey, I'm also a "member" not a "junior member". Watch out, everyone.

02-18-2009, 05:46 PM	#211
frabjous Wizard Posts: 1,213 Karma: 12890 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Amherst, Massachusetts, USA Device: Sony PRS-505	Still confused about Karma I have some questions about Karma that unfortunately aren't made clear (to me at least) either in NatCh's post, or in the Karma Wiki entry. Those sources make it sound as if you can just "tap" someone. But it's not that easy. When I click the little Karma button, I get a screen that looks like this: I can fill in a comment. Great. But if I leave it as such and then click "Add to Reputation", I get this warning: OK, this confuses me on multiple levels. First, the original screen said that fine tuning my reputation clout was optional. But since the default is 1, which is not allowed, it's not optional at all. Second, the warning that comes up says "give (or take)", implying that it is possible for me to take away karma, which this thread (and some others I found while searching) says I cannot. Third, I have no clue on what grounds I should fine tune my reputation clout or what it means to do so. Over the past few days, I have changed this number from anywhere from 2 to 10000 while giving karma. While I understand that it's up to me to decide to use the karma feature, I don't really understand what the consequence of my picking a particular number is. It's not mentioned in the formula NatCh gave or in the Wiki. Am I just terminally slow, or is this kinda confusing? All I want to do is spread some love! thanks, - frabjous (Penny Pincher)

02-19-2009, 12:18 PM	#225
frabjous Wizard Posts: 1,213 Karma: 12890 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Amherst, Massachusetts, USA Device: Sony PRS-505	Calooh! Callay! My clout is now four... I don't need to change the field, and I can be a karma-giving maniac like the rest of you. Thanks to all that helped. EDIT: Hey, I'm also a "member" not a "junior member". Watch out, everyone. Last edited by frabjous; 02-19-2009 at 12:25 PM.

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02-18-2009, 05:51 PM	#212
zelda_pinwheel zeldinha zippy zeldissima Posts: 27,827 Karma: 921169 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Paris, France Device: eb1150 & is that a nook in her pocket, or she just happy to see you?	hey penny pincher ! you appear to have stumbled upon a bug in the karma ointment. the minimum you can give is 2 points, however the maximum you can give increases depending on a number of factors (which you saw in natch's post, i'm sure). since you are new it's possible that you haven't yet built up any karma clout, which means your default (and therefore maximum : you can't give more than your default, only less if you choose) karma thwack is 1 point, which the system won't allow. it's a pickle ! so i'm going to thwack you myself in hopes that will bump your default up at least to 2 points, so you can give karma as you see fit. i'm also going to signal this post to alex, because that is just silly.

02-18-2009, 05:57 PM	#213
frabjous Wizard Posts: 1,213 Karma: 12890 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Amherst, Massachusetts, USA Device: Sony PRS-505	Thanks, Zelda. The default still comes up as "1" even now that you've given me 40 karmic points (thanks)--which I think is what my clout should be, given the formula, but yeah, I agree, this is silly. We newbies should have at least a little clout!

02-18-2009, 06:00 PM	#214
zelda_pinwheel zeldinha zippy zeldissima Posts: 27,827 Karma: 921169 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Paris, France Device: eb1150 & is that a nook in her pocket, or she just happy to see you?	your clout should increase quickly (it goes up with time you've been a member, posts, and your own karma number, if memory serves), and it's the thought that counts more than the number ; a lot of us are really pleased to get tiny karma thwacks from newbies because it's a sign we helped someone out. but hopefully we can change the starting number to 2 at least. it's pretty pointless to have the default be 1, if the system won't accept that...

02-18-2009, 07:14 PM	#215
RWood Technogeezer Posts: 7,233 Karma: 1601464 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia, USA Device: Sony PRS-500	As I remember, it will allow 1 point as long as you never touch the field. Thus if you add the comment and click "Add to Reputation" it should work. If you fiddle with the number (even if you leave it as 1) you will invoke the dial-a-karma checker that demands that you give at least two. (It also adjusts what you give -- unless you give all you can give -- to a round number.

02-18-2009, 07:16 PM	#216
ShortNCuddlyAm WWHALD Posts: 7,879 Karma: 337114 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mitcham, Surrey, UK Device: iPad. Selling my silver 505 here	I know when you have more than one karma to give it will let you increse that number, even though it has no effect on the karma you actually give - would that work in this case?

02-18-2009, 08:24 PM	#217
Patricia Reader Posts: 11,504 Karma: 8720163 Join Date: May 2007 Location: South Wales, UK Device: Sony PRS-500, PRS-505, Asus EEEpc 4G	Thank you for the generous thought, frabjous.

02-19-2009, 09:10 AM	#220
pshrynk Beepbeep n beebeep, yeah! Posts: 11,726 Karma: 8255450 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: La Crosse, Wisconsin, aka America's IceBox Device: iThingie, KmkII, I miss Zelda!	I gave frabjous karma, but more than the pitiful little 40 points that the Queen eked out. I'm just more generous that way!

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