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01-04-2008, 05:12 PM | #347 | |
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So if less music is sold (on physical discs as well as online) but more music is consumed, what might be the reason for it? A lot of music is not being bought but downloaded illegally. There might be some sites like mp3parks.com that actually sell music but remain on the borderline between legal and illegal activity, but certainly nobody would really suggest these grey sites are accountable for the difference between officially sold and actually consumed music. Alan |
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01-04-2008, 05:23 PM | #348 | |
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The books that are important to me, I purchase in paper form. These books tend to be ones that would not be able to be produced in e-book form until there are very significant advances in technology. Given the views that have been expressed in this thread, I doubt that DRM is going to go away at all. |
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01-04-2008, 05:35 PM | #349 | |
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In the example given, you have shown why DRM wont protect the publisher and how the consumer can get around the issue. but the simple fact is that publishers will continue to use DRM for the forseeable future. And many publishers will continue to publish on in paper format for fear of copyright violations that are so easy using current technology. So given I will not search the darknet for books and the books I want to read, frequently have DRM, I accept this and move on. |
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01-04-2008, 05:55 PM | #350 | |
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We were hoping that the publishers were more intelligent than the RIAA. Even the RIAA has thrown in the towel (now that Sony/BMG has dropped DRM). |
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01-04-2008, 06:24 PM | #351 | ||
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01-04-2008, 08:30 PM | #352 | |
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01-04-2008, 10:11 PM | #353 | |
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Then Apple lost money on iTunes for a long while, and while it became profitable in 2006 I think, it's still marginal for them. Now that music goes drm-free, I am pretty sure iTunes will become a studio, sign artists and produce their own music since they have absolutely no reason to cooperate with the studios anymore. Again, it's irrelevant what you, me, or publishers want and think; the marketplace has spoken resoundingly against drm and that's that; people can fight the tide, but it's going nowhere, so this is why I am confident that when e-books will become mainstream they will be drm-free. |
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01-04-2008, 10:18 PM | #354 | |
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01-04-2008, 10:23 PM | #355 | |
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The big problem for writers is still obscurity, and to me all this sky-is falling talk about piracy and books seems quite overblown. Judicious use of e-books in the meantime increases exposure, audience, profile and if the author is good enough sales. |
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01-04-2008, 11:02 PM | #356 | |
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I buy most of that. The problem I have with it is on a formal level, and the idea that someone could believe writers or other artists (musicians, who pay for studio time and production) should not be reimbursed for whatever reason. All the discussion about whether DRM is a bogus technology or anything other is irrelevant to me in the purview of this discussion, unless they offer a moral alternative to taking an author's work. If not, they are only excuses; maybe good ones, but still excuses for acting in a way that takes the creators work without compensation. Central to this point is the argument that copyright exists to protect not knowledge, which should be shared for all (who can copyright 2+2=4?), but ideas, or art. I agree that copyright may suck as we know it. I agree that DRM is a nightmare if misguided good intentions. What I don't agree with is that it is morally right to take another artist's work, without compensating them in some way, and for that reason, the intent of copyright in its pure, unadulterated state is to protect that art for the sake of the creator, while not chilling a free marketplace of ideas. As an aside, I have a degree in English Ed. and my editor is still a very valuable commodity. Likewise, when people see books from my publisher, they can assume certain things about mine; genre, quality, feel, and production. The publisher does all the work of marketing the work, packaging the work, and distributing the work. I won't say you couldn't do that alone, but it would take a chunk of time which many authors don't have. They are still some of the services they offer and help justify their cut. They don't operate to hose you, because they are much like agents; it can be assumed that what is good for you is good for them. That is totally aside and unrelated to the concept that artists should be fairly compensated for their work. Last edited by hogleg; 01-04-2008 at 11:10 PM. Reason: spelling |
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Maybe there's another way that will encourage the progress of science and the useful arts.... But creators making money is not a Constitution-given right. |
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01-05-2008, 04:41 AM | #358 | |
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But DRM in ebooks is, except for the possibility of a company going out of business, transparent, easy and virtually unnoticeable. The same did Apple to DRM and guess what, it suddenly works. People are buying DRM music because they don't notice it anymore. Piracy does indeed hurt the music industry a lot. Revenue decreased dramatically while consumption still increases. Alan |
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01-05-2008, 07:45 AM | #359 | |
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As has been pointed out in prior posts in the discussion, the proof that "pirating" hurts sales has never been made anywhere (except in papers that have been ordered and paid to conform to the industry's fantasy in such obvious a manner that they're not worth mentioning any further). On the contrary, studies and empirical evidences tend to show that not only it doesn't hurt sales, it actually helps them in the long run - and that's valid both for famous singers/band and relatively unknown people. As far as I know, no such studies have been made about the p-book/ebook market, but again there are empirical observations that show a similar trend (see the Baen case, or authors such as Doctorow). |
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01-05-2008, 08:10 AM | #360 | |
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Free music has been available for years (illegal though). Did it help to boost the sales of legal music? No, not a bit, but the contrary. Alan |
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