Classic Anyone know how highlighting and dictionary work?

okalyddude · 10-23-2009, 08:00 AM

Hi, I was watching the few videos available, and find it hard to believe so many people are pre-ordering these with so little information. Is there a demonstration video I am missing? ( I have seen the advert, and a few short hands on, showing very little)

I want to know HOW the highlighting works. I have seen it done, but the camera never shows the bottom portion, where the person is actually doing it.

Is there just a little dpad, you click left, right, and a cursor moves from word to word?

Does it copy the text down to the touch screen, and you can click on the word there? (this would be ideal, if you could scroll through the page up and down on the touch screen, highlight what you want, copy, or annotate, or dictionary)

Anyone seen how it is actually done?

I'm on the fence between the PRS 600 and the Nook, but don't really want to wait for the nook, or take the big risk that something will be wrong. I am out of the country, so will have to have it shipped somewhere in the US, then shipped to me, and by then won't be able to return it in the 14 days.

For me, text highlighting isn't a massive deal, but dictionary would be very very nice. So would customization. This leads me to ask about hacking / customizing / user firmwares etc... I know it's possible on the 600, they're trying, and it's harder than older sonys, but these types of people are persistent (and I love them for it) and I would really like to add things like offline wikipedia, translators, tweak the dictionary, tweak shortcuts, better folder / ebook management.

Same thing on the nook. The current ui wasn't really shown well in the videos, but looks very inadequate. They suggest you can have 10,000 books or whatever, then you should have to either use a touch screen keyboard or scroll through book / author with your thumb, both are not ideal. prs 600 isn't exactly ideal, but at least has collections, which you can tweak to your needs.

I guess I'll probably buy the 600, wait to see how the release of the nook goes, how people hack the android, and if they make real use out of the touch screen. I wish the e-ink part was touch screen, so highlighting and dictionary lookup was practical, but maybe people will hack it and put in all the things they should do:

wifi web browsing
footnotes, art, etc on the bottom
a clock?
better folder support
good highlighting, maybe a 'mouse' you can move around (slowly), or just copy the text to the touch screen to highlight it.

I dunno. But if you're going to make something 'open' and using android, you might as well come out and just make it easier for developers to make and sell add ons / customization. But I suppose they run the risk of people making it too easy to do illegal things, which the publishers want to avoid at all costs.

Pappy_01 · 10-23-2009, 02:56 PM

Don't know if this is relevant but

Quote:

only content purchased from B&N can be annotated on nook at this time.

http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com/...p/402491#M1003

kezza · 10-23-2009, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pappy_01

Don't know if this is relevant but

http://bookclubs.barnesandnoble.com/...p/402491#M1003

This is strange, since Kevin made no mention of that restriction when saying that sideloaded content was only partially supported. He said that those books wouldn't be part of the B&N bookshelf and would sync with other devices, but no mention of not being able to annotate. I wonder why that is.

okalyddude · 10-23-2009, 03:08 PM

weird. another thing thatll have to be hacked... prs 600 looking better,,,

DaleDe · 10-23-2009, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kezza

This is strange, since Kevin made no mention of that restriction when saying that sideloaded content was only partially supported. He said that those books wouldn't be part of the B&N bookshelf and would sync with other devices, but no mention of not being able to annotate. I wonder why that is.

Why he didn't mention it or why is won't work on the November release? If the second question I suspect it is only a learning curve issue. eReader will be the supported content on the original release with the recent Adobe contract implemented as an addon late in the game. I suspect there wasn't time to full integrate the full functionality into the ADE product before release. I expect a second release in January or February to correct these early shortcomings and to support the new DRM scheme available from Adobe in that time frame. Not everything is instant.

Dale

kezza · 10-23-2009, 05:09 PM

He was referring to all non-BN-purchased content with regards to annotation, or at least that's the way his response appears. I'm curious as to why he didn't mention this when discussing the incompatibilities with titles purchased from eReader.com and Fictionwise, since it seems like a fairly big incompatibility. I'm also not sure I get why the software would disallow marking up text purchased from a non-BN store, since text is text, right? Not syncing that text, well that makes mores sense.

TrendyGuy · 10-23-2009, 11:19 PM

Have fun trying to read the PRS-600. Make sure to try the e-reader out before buying it. I had one but returned it due to there being so much glare on the screen it was unreadable. I read near a table lamp I have, nothing special just a normal lamp, couldn't see a thing unless I held the reader at a very annoying angle. The glare will probably be even more annoying with a reading light.

forkyfork · 11-08-2009, 11:43 PM

Thought I would bump the thread.

I'm curious as to how the highlighting and dictionary work, too.

juj1n · 11-09-2009, 12:34 PM

You can't get a real answer to this question until the nook comes out...

okalyddude · 11-15-2009, 09:15 PM

Yeah, I got a prs 600 - Still trying to decide if I'm annoyed enough with the glare.... I really like the device otherwise - dictionary is easy to use and convenient, easy to set up collections and books, search is nice, bookmarking works.... but yes, the glare can be annoying. Usually, it just involves turning it slightly, or using a different light, but you shouldn't have to do that....

Maybe i'll get a chance to look at a 505 and compare the two glares, see if it's really so much worse...

Madam Broshkina · 12-15-2009, 05:38 PM

Just wanted to point out that highlighting and the dictionary works with side loaded eBooks.

10-23-2009, 08:00 AM	#1
okalyddude Enthusiast Posts: 41 Karma: 602 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: E600	Anyone know how highlighting and dictionary work? Hi, I was watching the few videos available, and find it hard to believe so many people are pre-ordering these with so little information. Is there a demonstration video I am missing? ( I have seen the advert, and a few short hands on, showing very little) I want to know HOW the highlighting works. I have seen it done, but the camera never shows the bottom portion, where the person is actually doing it. Is there just a little dpad, you click left, right, and a cursor moves from word to word? Does it copy the text down to the touch screen, and you can click on the word there? (this would be ideal, if you could scroll through the page up and down on the touch screen, highlight what you want, copy, or annotate, or dictionary) Anyone seen how it is actually done? I'm on the fence between the PRS 600 and the Nook, but don't really want to wait for the nook, or take the big risk that something will be wrong. I am out of the country, so will have to have it shipped somewhere in the US, then shipped to me, and by then won't be able to return it in the 14 days. For me, text highlighting isn't a massive deal, but dictionary would be very very nice. So would customization. This leads me to ask about hacking / customizing / user firmwares etc... I know it's possible on the 600, they're trying, and it's harder than older sonys, but these types of people are persistent (and I love them for it) and I would really like to add things like offline wikipedia, translators, tweak the dictionary, tweak shortcuts, better folder / ebook management. Same thing on the nook. The current ui wasn't really shown well in the videos, but looks very inadequate. They suggest you can have 10,000 books or whatever, then you should have to either use a touch screen keyboard or scroll through book / author with your thumb, both are not ideal. prs 600 isn't exactly ideal, but at least has collections, which you can tweak to your needs. I guess I'll probably buy the 600, wait to see how the release of the nook goes, how people hack the android, and if they make real use out of the touch screen. I wish the e-ink part was touch screen, so highlighting and dictionary lookup was practical, but maybe people will hack it and put in all the things they should do: wifi web browsing footnotes, art, etc on the bottom a clock? better folder support good highlighting, maybe a 'mouse' you can move around (slowly), or just copy the text to the touch screen to highlight it. I dunno. But if you're going to make something 'open' and using android, you might as well come out and just make it easier for developers to make and sell add ons / customization. But I suppose they run the risk of people making it too easy to do illegal things, which the publishers want to avoid at all costs.

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10-23-2009, 03:08 PM	#4
okalyddude Enthusiast Posts: 41 Karma: 602 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: E600	weird. another thing thatll have to be hacked... prs 600 looking better,,,

10-23-2009, 05:09 PM	#6
kezza Lowlife of the Party Posts: 266 Karma: 4038 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: seattle Device: nook, iphone	He was referring to all non-BN-purchased content with regards to annotation, or at least that's the way his response appears. I'm curious as to why he didn't mention this when discussing the incompatibilities with titles purchased from eReader.com and Fictionwise, since it seems like a fairly big incompatibility. I'm also not sure I get why the software would disallow marking up text purchased from a non-BN store, since text is text, right? Not syncing that text, well that makes mores sense.

10-23-2009, 11:19 PM	#7
TrendyGuy Member Posts: 18 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: PRS-600, Nook 3G, Kobo	Have fun trying to read the PRS-600. Make sure to try the e-reader out before buying it. I had one but returned it due to there being so much glare on the screen it was unreadable. I read near a table lamp I have, nothing special just a normal lamp, couldn't see a thing unless I held the reader at a very annoying angle. The glare will probably be even more annoying with a reading light.

11-08-2009, 11:43 PM	#8
forkyfork Zealot Posts: 145 Karma: 1664 Join Date: May 2009 Device: It's a long story ;)	Thought I would bump the thread. I'm curious as to how the highlighting and dictionary work, too.

11-09-2009, 12:34 PM	#9
juj1n Connoisseur Posts: 95 Karma: 350 Join Date: Sep 2009 Device: Lots!	You can't get a real answer to this question until the nook comes out...

11-15-2009, 09:15 PM	#10
okalyddude Enthusiast Posts: 41 Karma: 602 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: E600	Yeah, I got a prs 600 - Still trying to decide if I'm annoyed enough with the glare.... I really like the device otherwise - dictionary is easy to use and convenient, easy to set up collections and books, search is nice, bookmarking works.... but yes, the glare can be annoying. Usually, it just involves turning it slightly, or using a different light, but you shouldn't have to do that.... Maybe i'll get a chance to look at a 505 and compare the two glares, see if it's really so much worse...

12-15-2009, 05:38 PM	#11
Madam Broshkina Manic Do Fuse Posts: 2,312 Karma: 3325462 Join Date: Oct 2006 Device: Sony 500, 505, 350, Kindle 3, DXG, nook, Irex DR800SG, iPad	Just wanted to point out that highlighting and the dictionary works with side loaded eBooks.