Cybook page turning button problem ?

tommy still · 12-15-2007, 09:30 PM

I am thinking of buying a Cybook, but have been put off by more than a few post's about the page turning buttons being either unresponsive or very hard to press. I have also read that Bookeen are aware of this and will try to provide a workaround or fix. Am I being paranoid, is it hard to press ? Not being able to actually handle one before I spend the cash is a little disconcerting. I would hate to spend £245 and find the page turn button becoming a real bugbear.

ricdiogo · 12-15-2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tommy still

I am thinking of buying a Cybook, but have been put off by more than a few post's about the page turning buttons being either unresponsive or very hard to press. I have also read that Bookeen are aware of this and will try to provide a workaround or fix. Am I being paranoid, is it hard to press ? Not being able to actually handle one before I spend the cash is a little disconcerting. I would hate to spend £245 and find the page turn button becoming a real bugbear.

I'm waiting for mine but I'm also very anxious to see how it works.

As far as I could read the "unresponsive button" issue results from that fact that people don't actually press the right button. The "hard to press" thing seems to be an isolated problem in some devices and people are reporting that although the button is not very easy to press it's not really an issue.

As soon as I get mine tomorrow I can tell you my personal experience.

delphidb96 · 12-16-2007, 02:34 AM

Yes, compared to *some* buttons (Ahem! Cough! Cough! Kindle! Cough! Cough!) the page forward/backward buttons can be a tad unresponsive - by comparison. I *LIKE* the bit of stiffness to the buttons as I'm not accidentally paging-paging-paging-paging with every breath and jiggle of my hand when I'm holding it one-handed. However, *some* people seem to prefer a button which registers a depression whenever a butterfly in China flaps its wings. Go figure. Either you'll like it, tolerate it, love it or hate it. That's about the best I can offer you as you'll really have to see for yourself.

But yes, it is *NOT* as sensitive as a Playstation controller.

Derek

HarryT · 12-16-2007, 02:45 AM

I agree with Derek - the button is firm, but not excessively so. I have absolutely no problem with it.

tommy still · 12-16-2007, 07:56 AM

Thanks all for the replies, I appreciate I would not want a button that would be too sensitive, accidental page turnings would be worse than no turn at all. A few people have posted about the slow or non existent response from Bookeen regarding problems with their device, thats another thing that worries me, the prospect of little or no backup in the event of a fault developing. Plus I realise the firmware has only reached ver 1.0 so hopefully some of the reported niggles can be fixed via that. One more question I have asked elsewhere but got no response to is that the firmware is updated via the SD card. Does that mean just downloading the new file to the card and plugging it in to do the update, or does the machine have to be connected to a computer. I have a Mac, will there be any firmware update problems with a non Windows computer ?

JSWolf · 12-16-2007, 08:23 AM

The buttons on the 505 are really nice. Not too still and not too loose and the setup is very easy to hold without accidentally pressing the wrong button (hint Kindle).

tommy still · 12-16-2007, 08:57 AM

Unfortunately I have already ruled out the sony, because of content, having to use windows and the difficulty in purchasing from the Connect store in the UK.

SandySchwab · 12-16-2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by delphidb96

seem to prefer a button which registers a depression whenever a butterfly in China flaps its wings.

Cute!

So far I haven't encountered any real problems with the button on my Cybook. Sometimes I need to press twice to make the page turn, but that's okay. After having used it for a while now, I also don't think I will get a sore thumb -- after all, when you're reading you only have to press that button every 1-2 minutes or so.

delphidb96 · 12-16-2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SandySchwab

...after all, when you're reading you only have to press that button every 1-2 minutes or so.

I GOTTA remember that one!

Yep, for me 1-2 minutes between page turns is, like, an ETERNITY!

Derek

Loopy65 · 12-16-2007, 01:47 PM

The button is more or less ok and regardless i would totally recommend the Cybook it's a great machine.

I'm hoping that at some point they will release a software update so that I can attribute one of the other buttons as page turner (one of the ones on the left preferably!)

I'm not sure about anyone else but if i'm lying down i can't just hold the thing in one hand i have to use both when the page turn bit comes ..

not a huge thing tho even if i'm making it sound like a huge thing! lol ..

Loopy

SandySchwab · 12-16-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by delphidb96

I GOTTA remember that one!

Yep, for me 1-2 minutes between page turns is, like, an ETERNITY!

Derek

Uhm. I haven't timed it or anything, you know.

What I meant was: it's not a continuous pressure in contrast to what you do when you're writing a SMS.

Of course, you could always strengthen your fingers doing some finger exercises (is that what you call them in English???) for piano players.

ashalan · 12-16-2007, 02:39 PM

After a week of extensive use I notice the page flipping problems actually becoming less. This can be the result of either getting used to the way to 'properly' press the button, or the button losing a bit of its stiffness after some use. Really not sure which of the two it is, maybe a combination of both.

To me, this is something I gladly live with, since I am a very happy Cybook user given all the good aspects of the device

At any rate it's by no means more cumbersome than wetting your fingers to flip a paper page.

delphidb96 · 12-16-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Loopy65

The button is more or less ok and regardless i would totally recommend the Cybook it's a great machine.

I'm hoping that at some point they will release a software update so that I can attribute one of the other buttons as page turner (one of the ones on the left preferably!)

I'm not sure about anyone else but if i'm lying down i can't just hold the thing in one hand i have to use both when the page turn bit comes ..

not a huge thing tho even if i'm making it sound like a huge thing! lol ..

Loopy

I agree! However, that's mostly because the 'notch' at the bottom (My rubber cover popped out and fell off.) digs into my hand over long periods of time. I've kind of developed a 'grip' - similar in approach to my holding my dSLR - where the thumb is positioned near the paging control, the index finger rides up along the right side of the front edge, the next two fingers wrap around the back and the little finger forms a 'rest' along the bottom... Yes, I still have the rather 'sharp' corners of the plug compartment digging into my hand, but I'm beginning to develop a callus.

I wonder... If I start taking Human Growth Hormone, will my callus develop faster and larger? (I now envision myself with Mr. Hyde - as we saw in the movie "League of Extraordinary Gentlement" - hands.)

Derek

Barcey · 12-16-2007, 05:33 PM

After about 6 weeks my button is worn in nice. I honestly wouldn't think of it at all except for the posts that I see here (and I don't take growth hormones

). I'm still really happy with it. Best purchase I've made in a long time.

I too am a little concerned with the reports that I've seen about the lack of responsiveness from Bookeen on support questions but hopefully that will improve.

On your concerns about not being able to try it out... if the availability of the Cybook Gen3 stays the way it is then worst case if you don't like it you'll probably be able to sell it used for close to what you paid for it. In my opinion you'll like it though.

tommy still · 12-16-2007, 06:44 PM

Thanks all for the help, I think my next purchase will be a Cybook Gen 3. But having just bought myself an Apple iPhone my wife is trying to persuade me to wait till March when she can buy it for my birthday. Not a bad idea, maybe another firmware revision will have been issued by then.

12-15-2007, 09:30 PM	#1
tommy still Connoisseur Posts: 53 Karma: 139 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bridgend, South Wales Device: iPhone and Sony PRS 505	Cybook page turning button problem ? I am thinking of buying a Cybook, but have been put off by more than a few post's about the page turning buttons being either unresponsive or very hard to press. I have also read that Bookeen are aware of this and will try to provide a workaround or fix. Am I being paranoid, is it hard to press ? Not being able to actually handle one before I spend the cash is a little disconcerting. I would hate to spend £245 and find the page turn button becoming a real bugbear.

12-16-2007, 02:34 AM	#3
delphidb96 Wizard Posts: 2,999 Karma: 300001 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Citrus Heights, California Device: TWO Kindle 2s, one each Bookeen Cybook Gen3, Sony PRS-500, Axim X51V	Page turning. Yes, compared to some buttons (Ahem! Cough! Cough! Kindle! Cough! Cough!) the page forward/backward buttons can be a tad unresponsive - by comparison. I LIKE the bit of stiffness to the buttons as I'm not accidentally paging-paging-paging-paging with every breath and jiggle of my hand when I'm holding it one-handed. However, some people seem to prefer a button which registers a depression whenever a butterfly in China flaps its wings. Go figure. Either you'll like it, tolerate it, love it or hate it. That's about the best I can offer you as you'll really have to see for yourself. But yes, it is NOT as sensitive as a Playstation controller. Derek

12-16-2007, 02:39 PM	#12
ashalan Connoisseur Posts: 59 Karma: 405 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Berne, Switzerland Device: Cybook Gen3	After a week of extensive use I notice the page flipping problems actually becoming less. This can be the result of either getting used to the way to 'properly' press the button, or the button losing a bit of its stiffness after some use. Really not sure which of the two it is, maybe a combination of both. To me, this is something I gladly live with, since I am a very happy Cybook user given all the good aspects of the device At any rate it's by no means more cumbersome than wetting your fingers to flip a paper page. Last edited by ashalan; 12-16-2007 at 02:41 PM.

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12-16-2007, 02:45 AM	#4
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	I agree with Derek - the button is firm, but not excessively so. I have absolutely no problem with it.

12-16-2007, 07:56 AM	#5
tommy still Connoisseur Posts: 53 Karma: 139 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bridgend, South Wales Device: iPhone and Sony PRS 505	Thanks all for the replies, I appreciate I would not want a button that would be too sensitive, accidental page turnings would be worse than no turn at all. A few people have posted about the slow or non existent response from Bookeen regarding problems with their device, thats another thing that worries me, the prospect of little or no backup in the event of a fault developing. Plus I realise the firmware has only reached ver 1.0 so hopefully some of the reported niggles can be fixed via that. One more question I have asked elsewhere but got no response to is that the firmware is updated via the SD card. Does that mean just downloading the new file to the card and plugging it in to do the update, or does the machine have to be connected to a computer. I have a Mac, will there be any firmware update problems with a non Windows computer ?

12-16-2007, 08:23 AM	#6
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,897 Karma: 128597114 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	The buttons on the 505 are really nice. Not too still and not too loose and the setup is very easy to hold without accidentally pressing the wrong button (hint Kindle).

12-16-2007, 08:57 AM	#7
tommy still Connoisseur Posts: 53 Karma: 139 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bridgend, South Wales Device: iPhone and Sony PRS 505	Unfortunately I have already ruled out the sony, because of content, having to use windows and the difficulty in purchasing from the Connect store in the UK.

12-16-2007, 01:47 PM	#10
Loopy65 Groupie Posts: 172 Karma: 360 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Wales, UK Device: Kindle 3; iPad & iPhone 4	The button is more or less ok and regardless i would totally recommend the Cybook it's a great machine. I'm hoping that at some point they will release a software update so that I can attribute one of the other buttons as page turner (one of the ones on the left preferably!) I'm not sure about anyone else but if i'm lying down i can't just hold the thing in one hand i have to use both when the page turn bit comes .. not a huge thing tho even if i'm making it sound like a huge thing! lol .. Loopy

12-16-2007, 05:33 PM	#14
Barcey Wizard Posts: 1,531 Karma: 8059866 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Canada Device: Kobo H2O / Aura HD / Glo / iPad3	After about 6 weeks my button is worn in nice. I honestly wouldn't think of it at all except for the posts that I see here (and I don't take growth hormones ). I'm still really happy with it. Best purchase I've made in a long time. I too am a little concerned with the reports that I've seen about the lack of responsiveness from Bookeen on support questions but hopefully that will improve. On your concerns about not being able to try it out... if the availability of the Cybook Gen3 stays the way it is then worst case if you don't like it you'll probably be able to sell it used for close to what you paid for it. In my opinion you'll like it though.

12-16-2007, 06:44 PM	#15
tommy still Connoisseur Posts: 53 Karma: 139 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bridgend, South Wales Device: iPhone and Sony PRS 505	Thanks all for the help, I think my next purchase will be a Cybook Gen 3. But having just bought myself an Apple iPhone my wife is trying to persuade me to wait till March when she can buy it for my birthday. Not a bad idea, maybe another firmware revision will have been issued by then.