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stepanok · 08-20-2008, 06:08 AM

Millions of people read the telephone book as well. If i didnt like , i would have said so. There are many many books i dont like, but i respect that someone else can like it and that the writer made an efford. However, Harry Potter books are plain crap and because of that it took a zillion $$$ to market them and promote them. Thet are a great example of what a shrewd bussiness woman can achive but not what a writer can.
P.S
I like the way she even tells us how we should read her books. No ebooks. Are we alowed to drink, or take a break to go to the toilet ??

HarryT · 08-20-2008, 06:14 AM

So you're suggesting that all those of us who like them are idiots and you know better, are you?

Gaurnim · 08-20-2008, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

So you're suggesting that all those of us who like them are idiots and you know better, are you?

That was my interpretation of his message as well, that's why I did not reply to his comments.

stepanok · 08-20-2008, 06:20 AM

Harry...obviously you can read...but then again.....i have to think this one out......

stepanok · 08-20-2008, 06:22 AM

If you feel like idiots its your problem...i wish i could help you....Next time you read something try to read whats there and not what you "want" to be there

HarryT · 08-20-2008, 06:42 AM

I'm afraid that I don't see any other way to interpret your statements. You are telling us that the Harry Potter books are "crap" and that Ms. Rowling is "not a writer". Clearly, therefore, in your view, anyone who like the books is "wrong" to do so?

If I have misrepresented your opinions, please do feel free to correct me!

GeoffC · 08-20-2008, 06:48 AM

I believe the best thing that can happen now, is for there to be a little more tolerance of peoples' personal views; everyone is entitled to his or her opinion; likes or dislikes.

That deserves the most respect...

HarryT · 08-20-2008, 06:56 AM

That's precisely what I'm saying, Geoff. We should all respect the fact that it is conceivable that a book that we don't personally like can be liked by others without having to be insulting about either the book or its author. To label a phenomenal best-seller like the Harry Potter books as "crap" and to suggest that its success is solely down to marketting is to insult the intelligence of millions of people who did (and still do) enjoy reading the series.

pdurrant · 08-20-2008, 07:07 AM

There was no large marketing or publicity for the first book. It really was a word-of-mouth thing.

Paul

PS to your PS. Not while listening to the audio book - it was broadcast on radio 4 (UK) in one continuous slot on Boxing Day, 2000.

Quote:

Originally Posted by stepanok

Millions of people read the telephone book as well. If i didnt like , i would have said so. There are many many books i dont like, but i respect that someone else can like it and that the writer made an efford. However, Harry Potter books are plain crap and because of that it took a zillion $$$ to market them and promote them. Thet are a great example of what a shrewd bussiness woman can achive but not what a writer can.
P.S
I like the way she even tells us how we should read her books. No ebooks. Are we alowed to drink, or take a break to go to the toilet ??

Riocaz · 08-20-2008, 07:15 AM

"Who can read and enjoy this crap ?????"

"However, Harry Potter books are plain crap and because of that it took a zillion $$$ to market them and promote them."

I don't see how anyone can fail to understand Harry's point that stating that "Harry Potter is crap" as a fact rather than as their opinion implies that those who have read and enjoyed them all must be in some way deficient... (Not to mention the awards panels who rated the books so highly).

Had they said "Read one, thought it was dreck, but hey different strokes" it might be different. But no the exact words were "who can read and enjoy this crap".

While stepanok may not have explictly stated "Anyone who liked this crap is an idiot" the subtext is clear.

hidari · 08-20-2008, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Riocaz

"Who can read and enjoy this crap ?????"

"However, Harry Potter books are plain crap and because of that it took a zillion $$$ to market them and promote them."

I don't see how anyone can fail to understand Harry's point that stating that "Harry Potter is crap" as a fact rather than as their opinion implies that those who have read and enjoyed them all must be in some way deficient... (Not to mention the awards panels who rated the books so highly).

Had they said "Read one, thought it was dreck, but hey different strokes" it might be different. But no the exact words were "who can read and enjoy this crap".

While stepanok may not have explictly stated "Anyone who liked this crap is an idiot" the subtext is clear.

I would say you and Harry are Way over reading into sepanok's comments. So he does not like the books. Why take it so personally?

I don't Like bungee jumping. So.. if YOU like bungee jumping but I think it is crap. Do you think I think you are less of a person?

Sorry, chaps your argument against Sepanok is WEAK.

stepanok · 08-20-2008, 07:24 AM

ok. Anyone who likes this crap is an idiot..Feel better now???...jjjjeeezzzzzzzz

http://www.slate.com/id/2150585/

HarryT · 08-20-2008, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by hidari

I would say you and Harry are Way over reading into sepanok's comments. So he does not like the books. Why take it so personally?

Because he didn't say "I don't like the books"; he said "the books are crap". No disrespect to you, but if you're not a native English-speaker, you may perhaps not appreciate the enormous difference between the meaning of those two statements. The first is expressing a personal preference - nobody would argue with that. The second is stating an absolute fact about the value of them, and that's insulting.

GeoffC · 08-20-2008, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by stepanok

If you feel like idiots its your problem...i wish i could help you....Next time you read something try to read whats there and not what you "want" to be there

That is akin to saying read "War and Peace", and not whilst wanting to imagine that you are reading "Jane Eyre" instead...

Wow, if I only had a brain like that...

Riocaz · 08-20-2008, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by hidari

I would say you and Harry are Way over reading into sepanok's comments. So he does not like the books. Why take it so personally?

Possibly because they stated thats it's is not just his "opinion" of the books but as a fact. e even goes so-far as to make that point him/herself

"If i didnt like , i would have said so. There are many many books i dont like, but i respect that someone else can like it and that the writer made an efford. However, Harry Potter books are plain crap"

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Originally Posted by hidari

I don't Like bungee jumping. So.. if YOU like bungee jumping but I think it is crap. Do you think I think you are less of a person?

No because you have stated that you think it's crap. It's implict therefore that this is your opinion vs you stating that its a fact that no-one can deny.

Do you see the difference there?

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08-20-2008, 06:08 AM	#61
stepanok Connoisseur Posts: 53 Karma: 26 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: sony prs505	Millions of people read the telephone book as well. If i didnt like , i would have said so. There are many many books i dont like, but i respect that someone else can like it and that the writer made an efford. However, Harry Potter books are plain crap and because of that it took a zillion $$$ to market them and promote them. Thet are a great example of what a shrewd bussiness woman can achive but not what a writer can. P.S I like the way she even tells us how we should read her books. No ebooks. Are we alowed to drink, or take a break to go to the toilet ??

08-20-2008, 06:14 AM	#62
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	So you're suggesting that all those of us who like them are idiots and you know better, are you?

08-20-2008, 06:20 AM	#64
stepanok Connoisseur Posts: 53 Karma: 26 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: sony prs505	Harry...obviously you can read...but then again.....i have to think this one out......

08-20-2008, 06:22 AM	#65
stepanok Connoisseur Posts: 53 Karma: 26 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: sony prs505	If you feel like idiots its your problem...i wish i could help you....Next time you read something try to read whats there and not what you "want" to be there

08-20-2008, 06:42 AM	#66
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	I'm afraid that I don't see any other way to interpret your statements. You are telling us that the Harry Potter books are "crap" and that Ms. Rowling is "not a writer". Clearly, therefore, in your view, anyone who like the books is "wrong" to do so? If I have misrepresented your opinions, please do feel free to correct me!

08-20-2008, 06:48 AM	#67
GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,600 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	I believe the best thing that can happen now, is for there to be a little more tolerance of peoples' personal views; everyone is entitled to his or her opinion; likes or dislikes. That deserves the most respect...

08-20-2008, 06:56 AM	#68
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	That's precisely what I'm saying, Geoff. We should all respect the fact that it is conceivable that a book that we don't personally like can be liked by others without having to be insulting about either the book or its author. To label a phenomenal best-seller like the Harry Potter books as "crap" and to suggest that its success is solely down to marketting is to insult the intelligence of millions of people who did (and still do) enjoy reading the series.

08-20-2008, 07:15 AM	#70
Riocaz Fulfilled but not by iRex Posts: 932 Karma: 286846 Join Date: May 2006 Location: London Device: Far too many	"Who can read and enjoy this crap ?????" "However, Harry Potter books are plain crap and because of that it took a zillion $$$ to market them and promote them." I don't see how anyone can fail to understand Harry's point that stating that "Harry Potter is crap" as a fact rather than as their opinion implies that those who have read and enjoyed them all must be in some way deficient... (Not to mention the awards panels who rated the books so highly). Had they said "Read one, thought it was dreck, but hey different strokes" it might be different. But no the exact words were "who can read and enjoy this crap". While stepanok may not have explictly stated "Anyone who liked this crap is an idiot" the subtext is clear.

08-20-2008, 07:24 AM	#72
stepanok Connoisseur Posts: 53 Karma: 26 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: sony prs505	ok. Anyone who likes this crap is an idiot..Feel better now???...jjjjeeezzzzzzzz http://www.slate.com/id/2150585/

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