Arizonan restrictive law backfires

Logseman · 06-22-2010, 07:16 AM

Here we have a small comment on the effects of the Arizonan restrictions for illegal immigrants in relationship to work. I must say I'm quite surprised by the numbers stated in the news (11% of Arizonan workers were illegal immigrants before the bill).

Moejoe · 06-22-2010, 08:42 AM

Can of worms just opened. I think I'll save my politicking for the real world on this one.

(For the record, I don't believe in borders or countries and nobody, in my eyes, can ever be illegal just by standing on one piece of ground or another.)

happy_terd · 06-22-2010, 09:02 AM

How is it racist to want a legal process for immigration?

Laz116 · 06-22-2010, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by happy_terd

How is it racist to want a legal process for immigration?

You might wanna ask xxmkerror on youtube, who uploaded the video and named it, that.

TGS · 06-22-2010, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by happy_terd

How is it racist to want a legal process for immigration?

I give in...how is it?

happy_terd · 06-22-2010, 09:11 AM

I might.

I'm not trying to start shit with people....by the way.

I just really want to know what is wrong with wanting a legal process for immigration.

clarknova · 06-22-2010, 09:24 AM

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I just really want to know what is wrong with wanting a legal process for immigration.

There's nothing wrong with that. The problem is the immigration process has completely changed from the days of Ellis Island (and Angel Island). Back then, poor people who were constantly shat upon by Europe (and Asia), were allowed to come here legally in the hopes of a better future for them and their children.

However, we don't allow poor people in anymore. So if you live in a dirt farm in Guatemala, and wish you could learn to read and write and make a better life for you an yours... you're pretty much SOL.

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

happy_terd · 06-22-2010, 09:32 AM

We do need to fix immigration laws. I just dont think that a "free-for-all" no accountability approach is the correct way to go about it.

The rest of the world cannot expect the US to be the only country without boarders.

Laz116 · 06-22-2010, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by happy_terd

We do need to fix immigration laws. I just dont think that a "free-for-all" no accountability approach is the correct way to go about it.

The rest of the world cannot expect the US to be the only country without boarders.

Does the rest of the world expect that?

You're fighting windmills.

HarryT · 06-22-2010, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by happy_terd

The rest of the world cannot expect the US to be the only country without boarders.

It has lots of boarders; that's the whole issue, isn't it?

kindlekitten · 06-22-2010, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

It has lots of boarders; that's the whole issue, isn't it?

yeah, too many boarders un-interested in the duties and responsibilities of citizenship.

when I lived in Germany there was a HUGE guest worker (gast arbiter) program. mostly people from Turkey, Greece, and a variety of African countries. worked pretty well for them. it would appear to take care of a lot of problems... documenting status, paying taxes, tracking of residence and so on

DawnFalcon · 06-22-2010, 01:40 PM

Yep, amazing what happens when you don't try and impose restrictive limits on numbers.

ardeegee · 06-22-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by clarknova

There's nothing wrong with that. The problem is the immigration process has completely changed from the days of Ellis Island (and Angel Island). Back then, poor people who were constantly shat upon by Europe (and Asia), were allowed to come here legally in the hopes of a better future for them and their children.

However, we don't allow poor people in anymore. So if you live in a dirt farm in Guatemala, and wish you could learn to read and write and make a better life for you an yours... you're pretty much SOL.

The borders haven't quite been as open and welcoming as you paint them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History..._United_States

But that aside, just because something was done a certain way in the past is not an argument that it should always be done that way. The United States has over 300,000,000 people at this moment-- and if the borders were fully open, that number would explode even more-- and it wouldn't be lifting those people up, it would be dragging the rest of the country down, depressing wages and increasing welfare. The deep, deep trouble this country is in is NOT going to be helped by allowing in millions more poor, undereducated people. IMHO, there is no shame is saying "we're sorry conditions are bad in your country, but we're full now."

A man is standing in an elevator car with 30 people in it-- the floor is sagging, the cable is creeking, but 50 more people are trying to squeeze their way in the car. "Why not," he asks "we've always let people in before."

clarknova · 06-22-2010, 05:14 PM

[Censoring myself.]

obs20 · 06-22-2010, 05:35 PM

Okay here's what's racist about it:
A stop is made because a tail light is out. Because the driver has an accent, or is brown, or dresses differently then he is asked for a passport or other documentation in addition to the driver's license to demonstrate that he is here legally. If it isn't produced then he could be detained. This person could be a naturalized citizen but now has to carry identification that other Americans do not. Even Arnold Schwarzenegger said his accent would get him detained in Arizona.

06-22-2010, 07:16 AM	#1
Logseman Orisa Posts: 1,999 Karma: 1035571 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ireland Device: Onyx Poke 5	Arizonan restrictive law backfires Here we have a small comment on the effects of the Arizonan restrictions for illegal immigrants in relationship to work. I must say I'm quite surprised by the numbers stated in the news (11% of Arizonan workers were illegal immigrants before the bill).

06-22-2010, 05:14 PM	#14
clarknova Addict Posts: 241 Karma: 2617 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Greenwood, SC Device: Kindle 2	[Censoring myself.] Last edited by clarknova; 06-22-2010 at 09:00 PM. Reason: Arguing politics on the internet is like arguing politics IRL -- pointless and stupid.

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06-22-2010, 08:42 AM	#2
Moejoe Banned Posts: 5,100 Karma: 72193 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South of the Border Device: Coffin	Can of worms just opened. I think I'll save my politicking for the real world on this one. (For the record, I don't believe in borders or countries and nobody, in my eyes, can ever be illegal just by standing on one piece of ground or another.)

06-22-2010, 09:02 AM	#3
happy_terd Banned Posts: 13,045 Karma: 10105011 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Finally made it to Walmart. Device: PRS 420	How is it racist to want a legal process for immigration?

06-22-2010, 09:11 AM	#6
happy_terd Banned Posts: 13,045 Karma: 10105011 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Finally made it to Walmart. Device: PRS 420	I might. I'm not trying to start shit with people....by the way. I just really want to know what is wrong with wanting a legal process for immigration.

06-22-2010, 09:32 AM	#8
happy_terd Banned Posts: 13,045 Karma: 10105011 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Finally made it to Walmart. Device: PRS 420	We do need to fix immigration laws. I just dont think that a "free-for-all" no accountability approach is the correct way to go about it. The rest of the world cannot expect the US to be the only country without boarders.

06-22-2010, 01:40 PM	#12
DawnFalcon Banned Posts: 2,094 Karma: 2682 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: N/A	Yep, amazing what happens when you don't try and impose restrictive limits on numbers.

06-22-2010, 05:35 PM	#15
obs20 Wizard Posts: 2,782 Karma: 29028512 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida Device: Sony PRS 600, Nook ST, Toshiba Excite 10.1 AT 300	Okay here's what's racist about it: A stop is made because a tail light is out. Because the driver has an accent, or is brown, or dresses differently then he is asked for a passport or other documentation in addition to the driver's license to demonstrate that he is here legally. If it isn't produced then he could be detained. This person could be a naturalized citizen but now has to carry identification that other Americans do not. Even Arnold Schwarzenegger said his accent would get him detained in Arizona.

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