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Old 12-16-2013, 01:43 PM   #1
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why would anyone want Android OS on a tablet?

Android devices are jailed. That is, the intermediate vendors force their compulsory apps on the devices and deny removal, and then they try to block root access. With all the readers that run a proper (generic) linux kernel, what's the point of running Android?
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Old 12-16-2013, 01:53 PM   #2
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Um... same apps that you've bought for your phone?

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Old 12-16-2013, 04:32 PM   #3
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Android devices are jailed. That is, the intermediate vendors force their compulsory apps on the devices and deny removal, and then they try to block root access. With all the readers that run a proper (generic) linux kernel, what's the point of running Android?
Sounds like apple products
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Old 12-16-2013, 05:18 PM   #4
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I prefer Android over other devices because I see it as more open with more options.
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Old 12-16-2013, 06:05 PM   #5
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You're perfectly free to root your device.
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I have both an Apple iPad and a Nexus 7. Both are locked ecosystems.

I am not interested in mucking about with jailbreaking either of them.

I just want to use them, a belief you will find would be correct for the vast majority of owners.
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Old 12-17-2013, 01:26 AM   #7
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Android is far more open than iOS in any circumstances, and all you really need to do is root it, assuming you have one of the Android tablets that even suffers from this problem to begin with!! Not all do, and when they are locked, it is not a fundamental quality of the OS like, say, Apple.

And what mystical ereaders are these that don't run Android also, but have a linux kernel, aren't e-ink (ereaders tend to be) and can install apps in a perfectly open manner that you can live with since Android tablets are apparently too evil for you?

Maybe there is no point in running certain Android builds released by various device manufacturers. But that is not Android itself, so it's rather ridiculous to complain that Android itself is pointless.

Any manufacturer which wants to jail their device will do so; it has nothing to do with Android vs. other OS's
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Old 12-17-2013, 04:19 AM   #8
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Android devices are jailed. That is, the intermediate vendors force their compulsory apps on the devices and deny removal, and then they try to block root access. With all the readers that run a proper (generic) linux kernel, what's the point of running Android?
People buy tablets to run apps on, not because of what their underlying operating system is. There are far more apps available for Android (and iOS too, for that matter) than for Linux.
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:21 AM   #9
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Android devices are jailed. That is, the intermediate vendors force their compulsory apps on the devices and deny removal, and then they try to block root access. With all the readers that run a proper (generic) linux kernel, what's the point of running Android?
I could ask the same. Why would I want a linux device? I just want to be able to use my tablet to read books, the newspaper and some websites... Android works perfectly for that.
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Go tweak and root away. I'm perfectly happy with my androids as is.
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Old 12-17-2013, 06:47 AM   #11
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I could ask the same. Why would I want a linux device?
Suppose a device runs Debian, for example. When the manufacturer decides in 5-10 years to drop support because they want you to buy their latest model, the FOSS and Debian community will continue to supporting it well beyond its life expectancy. And every year there would be updates.

Androids rot. If you bought a device that ran 2.2, you may get an update to 2.3 the next year, but after that the maker loses motivation and drops the ball because they're already working on their next model.

This is chronic with android devices. You cannot simply go to google and ask for version 4.2 for your device. Even if they gave you some of the open pieces of 4.2, it's not a compilable fully-functional OS. (btw, google qualifies their use of the term "open source" to simply mean that some of the code is readable, not that it can be compiled and used). If you manage to port a newer kernel to your device, good luck extracting the proprietary hardware drivers from your old kernel and using them in the new. Android devices are as disposable as Apple devices.
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People buy tablets to run apps on, not because of what their underlying operating system is. There are far more apps available for Android (and iOS too, for that matter) than for Linux.
That's a good point, assuming it's correct.
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Android is far more open than iOS in any circumstances, and all you really need to do is root it,
I'm not sure why you're mentioning iOS here. This is more of a "proper linux vs. proprietary linux (android)" thread.
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assuming you have one of the Android tablets that even suffers from this problem to begin with!! Not all do,
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And what mystical ereaders are these that don't run Android also, but have a linux kernel, aren't e-ink (ereaders tend to be)
Why are you asking for non-e-ink linux devices?

There are lots of non-Android linux devices according to the matrix.
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and can install apps in a perfectly open manner that you can live with since Android tablets are apparently too evil for you?
Installing open apps is not actually a problem on Android. I have an Android phone, and use F-droid exclusively for apps (not play store). F-droid apps are FOSS. The apps are not the problem. The problem is everything the apps run on.
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Maybe there is no point in running certain Android builds released by various device manufacturers. But that is not Android itself, so it's rather ridiculous to complain that Android itself is pointless.

Any manufacturer which wants to jail their device will do so; it has nothing to do with Android vs. other OS's
I've studied Android phones extensively. Out of thousands of devices, only two are unjailed:
* geeksphone
* fairphone (not a real device yet)

Unless e-reader makers have taken a radically different approach, it's a cop-out to say "google isn't evil... the vendors are". And so what? In the end, the product in the buyers hands is not under their complete control, and future support is at the mercy of the maker.
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Old 12-17-2013, 07:08 AM   #12
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Suppose a device runs Debian, for example. When the manufacturer decides in 5-10 years to drop support because they want you to buy their latest model, the FOSS and Debian community will continue to supporting it well beyond its life expectancy. And every year there would be updates.
That goes for AOSP as well, so there is nothing unique about that part of the Linux community. The small minority of Android users that care about or even know about open-source alternatives can get lots of custom Android builds just like the small minority of Linux users.
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I could ask the same. Why would I want a linux device? I just want to be able to use my tablet to read books, the newspaper and some websites... Android works perfectly for that.
Android is a version of Linux
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That goes for AOSP as well, so there is nothing unique about that part of the Linux community. The small minority of Android users that care about or even know about open-source alternatives can get lots of custom Android builds just like the small minority of Linux users.
No they cannot. It's blocked, both technically and legally (by licensing/warranty terms and if encryption is used DMCA rules are invoked). From a technical standpoint, it requires hacking. The user must exploit a defect and hostily take control of their device. Official updates patch those holes, so it's a cat-mouse game that is unique to proprietary linux (e.g. Android).

As a practical matter, does cyanogen even run on e-ink devices? From a quick scan it looks like cyanogen is only ported to devices with LCDs.

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