New Kindle format: KF8 - Page 9

Daveoc64 · 10-22-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Stanza no longer works on iOS 5. I can see a lot of apps no longer working on iOS 3. That's not unrealistic.

Amazon is specifically targeting iOS3 when they build their apps. They also presumably test it on iOS 3.0

Stanza was never designed for, targeted at or tested on iOS5 - that's why there's a problem with it.

Going to a new version of iOS will always be more complex then maintaining support for an older version of iOS. The only reason to drop support for an older version is if you absolutely require an API that is not present in the older version(s) of iOS.

This really isn't unusual. Many very popular applications require updates to continue functioning on newer iOS versions due to similar changes.

Prestidigitweeze · 10-22-2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

How is the K2's 3G network capabilities more limited than the KK's 3G capabilities? This is the first I've heard of it. You can websurf on the K2's 3G network. The webkit browser on the KK is newer (and a little faster) than the K2's browser, but I've never found anything that can be done with the KK's browser over 3G that can't be done with the K2's browser over 3G.

Let me get this straight:

I ask about the Kindle 2G, a device with which I state I have no experience. The device hasn't warranted my research because it's two generations back and not worth acquiring at this point.

Someone who knows both devices answers me and says that, on the contrary, the capabilities of the the 3G are in fact greater and might be worthy of an upgrade where the 2G is not.

I then thank the person and reiterate what I understand to be their explanation to acknowledge that they had been heard.

Instead of continuing the discussion by disputing the information of the person who made the original statement, or even bothering to answer my question (possibly to say you don't agree that the 3G and 2G are different enough to warrant compatibility with one and not the other), you use my reiteration to suggest ignorance on my part, even though I began my question by stating I knew nothing about the Kindle 2G.

The only reason I can see for you to go after me rather than address Dave's response is that, in Dave's case, you don't have a history of creating pointless acrimony over ideological differences.

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DiapDealer · 10-22-2011, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Prestidigitweeze

Let me get this straight:

I ask about the Kindle 2G, a device with which I state I have no experience. The device hasn't warranted my research because it's two generations back and not worth acquiring at this point.

Someone who knows both devices answers me and says that, on the contrary, the capabilities of the the 3G are in fact greater and might be worthy of an upgrade where the 2G is not.

I then thank the person and reiterate what I understand to be their explanation to acknowledge that they had been heard.

Instead of continuing the discussion by disputing the information of the person who made the original statement, or even bothering to answer my question (possibly to say you don't agree that the 3G and 2G are different enough to warrant compatibility with one and not the other), you use my reiteration to suggest ignorance on my part, even though I began my question by stating I knew nothing about the Kindle 2G.

The only reason I can see for you to go after me rather than address Dave's response is that, in Dave's case, you don't have a history of creating pointless acrimony over ideological differences.

§ § § §

If any twelve-year-olds are reading this and they're tired of being blamed for the incivility of the internet, Mobile Read is a perfect argument against that stereotype. On Mobile Read, middle-aged and seventy-year-old men can be more vituperative than any twelve-year-old I've ever met.

I'm honestly sorry you took my post that way. That wasn't my intention. I was trying to determine what was actually being stated. Which was why I added that last disclaimer sentence in case it was just a misunderstanding over Wifi vs 3G.

I still don't understand.

The only reason I didn't "go after" Dave's response (not that I felt I was "going after" anybody) is because I didn't see anything in Dave's post that I didn't understand. I couldn't see a connection from Dave's post to your statement. That's all. So I questioned it... and kept checking back for a response.

I wasn't aware I had a "history of creating pointless acrimony over ideological differences," with you or anybody, but I guess perception is reality, so I sincerely apologize... to you and anybody else I may have inadvertently offended.

Daveoc64 · 10-22-2011, 07:52 PM

I think the problem was that "Prestidigitweeze" said:

"I've never used the K2, which is why I was unaware its 3G network capabilities were far more limited than the KK's, with its ability to handle Wifi and web surfing."

In response to my post about the Kindle Keyboard's WebKit Browser that is able to support everything that KF8 claims to support and more.

Some people (and with Amazon's marketing it's not surprising) equate 3G or Wi-Fi with browsing the web. I think the part in bold shows this misunderstanding which has resulted in the above... unpleasantness!

The significant takeaway is not that the Kindle Keyboard (3) and later models have improved 3G functionality - they don't really. The REAL improvement is in the web browser. It is much more fully featured and standards compliant. The fact that this browser can run on the Kindle Keyboard (and in reality, it can also run on the Kindle 2 with some hacks) shows that the Kindle Keyboard hardware is more than capable of handling the new KF8.

tomsem · 10-22-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Leep

Being a suspicious type, my mind wanders to the recent 'personal document' changes. Do you suppose that we might have to pay Amazon to have our un-drm'd books from other sources converted to K8 format?

Personal documents (i.e. un-drm's books that folks are sending to their Kindles) have got to be a huge number flowing through Amazon's servers.

cheers

How do you know your Personal Documents are not already available in KF8 format? There are not any devices, or apps that support it, so there is no way to check. There is also no way to download a 'Personal Document' to your desktop. Also, with the exception of PDF documents without the 'convert' keyword, everything now goes through a 'conversion' process to add the magic bits that allow synching.

The way I expect it will work (if it does not already) is that PDs will generate both 'KF7' and 'KF8' content as part of the conversion process (much as Kindlegen2 does or will do). KF8 capable devices will get KF8 format, and everything else will get KF7.

JSWolf · 10-22-2011, 10:21 PM

KF7 doesn't exist. AZW is actually Mobipocket.

Andrew H. · 10-23-2011, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

KF7 doesn't exist. AZW is actually Mobipocket.

mobi7, to be pedantic.

montalex · 10-23-2011, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

I'm honestly sorry you took my post that way. That wasn't my intention. I was trying to determine what was actually being stated. Which was why I added that last disclaimer sentence in case it was just a misunderstanding over Wifi vs 3G.

I still don't understand.

The only reason I didn't "go after" Dave's response (not that I felt I was "going after" anybody) is because I didn't see anything in Dave's post that I didn't understand. I couldn't see a connection from Dave's post to your statement. That's all. So I questioned it... and kept checking back for a response.

I wasn't aware I had a "history of creating pointless acrimony over ideological differences," with you or anybody, but I guess perception is reality, so I sincerely apologize... to you and anybody else I may have inadvertently offended.

DD, when ever I follow a thread on Mobileread, I am happy to see your posts. You are a voice of reason and good humor, and (much) more knowledgeable than the average bear. I saw no reason for anyone to take offense at your query.

Edit: Sorry, Dave. I meant Prestidigitweeze. I was too quick to comment

tomsem · 10-23-2011, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

KF7 doesn't exist. AZW is actually Mobipocket.

Well, Mobipocket had no provision for embedded audio/video. That was added specifically for Kindle by Amazon.

afa · 10-23-2011, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by montalex

DD, when ever I follow a thread on Mobileread, I am happy to see your posts. You are a voice of reason and good humor, and (much) more knowledgeable than the average bear. I saw no reason for Dave to take offense at your query.

Except when DD sent him a letter bomb.

That was uncalled for.

DiapDealer · 10-23-2011, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by montalex

I saw no reason for Dave to take offense at your query.

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Originally Posted by afa

Except when DD sent him a letter bomb.

That was uncalled for.

It was terribly uncalled for—I agree.

Especially since it wasn't Daveoc64 that took offense with me... at least I don't think he did; I admit I'm still a little confused about what the hell happened.

Daveoc64 · 10-23-2011, 04:20 PM

Would anyone on these forums send anybody a letter bomb?

Surely it'd be the E Ink equivalent? (a virus!?)

OtterBooks · 10-23-2011, 05:31 PM

What's a letter bomb? Tell, don't show, plx.

montalex · 10-23-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

It was terribly uncalled for—I agree.

Especially since it wasn't Daveoc64 that took offense with me... at least I don't think he did; I admit I'm still a little confused about what the hell happened.

Sorry Daveoc64! I meant Prestidigitweeze.

Best to leave this thread...

afa · 10-24-2011, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Daveoc64

Would anyone on these forums send anybody a letter bomb?

Surely it'd be the E Ink equivalent? (a virus!?)

Good point.

A Kindle bomb, then?

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Originally Posted by OtterBooks

What's a letter bomb? Tell, don't show, plx.

Old-world tech. Don't worry about it...

10-22-2011, 07:52 PM	#124
Daveoc64 Groupie Posts: 169 Karma: 21142 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Bristol, UK Device: Kindle Oasis 3 (LTE)	I think the problem was that "Prestidigitweeze" said: "I've never used the K2, which is why I was unaware its 3G network capabilities were far more limited than the KK's, with its ability to handle Wifi and web surfing." In response to my post about the Kindle Keyboard's WebKit Browser that is able to support everything that KF8 claims to support and more. Some people (and with Amazon's marketing it's not surprising) equate 3G or Wi-Fi with browsing the web. I think the part in bold shows this misunderstanding which has resulted in the above... unpleasantness! The significant takeaway is not that the Kindle Keyboard (3) and later models have improved 3G functionality - they don't really. The REAL improvement is in the web browser. It is much more fully featured and standards compliant. The fact that this browser can run on the Kindle Keyboard (and in reality, it can also run on the Kindle 2 with some hacks) shows that the Kindle Keyboard hardware is more than capable of handling the new KF8. Last edited by Daveoc64; 10-22-2011 at 07:56 PM.

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10-22-2011, 10:21 PM	#126
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