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Must say that I am 6 books deep into the Ender series and thought very highly of the philosophical ideas in speaker for the dead and children of the mind, especially regarding what gives a being life. But now I stumble on the fact that Card is very anti gay and not to sound discriminatory, but also a Mormon, a religion which has shown many times to ignore people's rights. So my dilemma was can I still give his powerful ideas credit if such basic ethics are flawed. I'm afraid I am too attached to them at this point to not acknowledge them, but I must say I've never had this problem before. But I will not be financially supporting such opinions.
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It might not hurt to remember two things: 1) Much of what you hear about an author is coming second or third hand (from people with their own agendas), and even what you may find out first hand does not always include the full context. (As is the case with much written correspondence, including this forum.) And 2) Anything actually true you learn about a particular author may simply because they choose to be open about their opinions. You might like to ask yourself about all those authors you are "financially supporting", about whom you know nothing.
Oh ... and a third thought. If I refused to credit powerful ideas from any person that sometimes made mistakes, then I'd still be looking for someone to credit. |
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Hmm, I've read this resurrected thread and I have to say that for me the Author of a Story is not the same entity as the person that happens to be the author of the story.
I do not know them personally and frankly I do not what to know them. Just like I do not know film stars, singers, composers, sports personalities. I think that we read stories or listen to music or see films or watch sports primarily for the emotions they raise in us. In that respect authors, actors, singers, composers and sportspeople are more like tools (I mean no disrespect), more like devices through which we get our emotions played with. This is their talent, their calling but ultimately it is only their job. What has their brilliance (of the ones who have it) got to do with what kind of people they are when they're not working? Do you know the political or intellectual leanings of your car mechanic, or dentist or the head of your corporation or even of each of your work colleagues? Do you have any idea if the grocer is or is not a closet fascist or a closet communist? Does it matter that much? As for refusing to support repugnant ideas with your money, when you are in fact saying that the books themselves do not promote such ideas do you not think that what you are supporting with your money is not the repugnant ideas of the individual OSC (or whichever) but rather the writing of more good stories. And whatever happened with tolerance and with giving people a chance? I'm an atheist and so my opinions about Mormonism are clear but I do not like Ender's Game any less because I just found out OSC is a Mormon. (What's so bad about Mormons anyway, the US almost elected one as President?) Would the world not be a pretty boring place if we all shared the same opinions? Maybe I don't see it. I'm up for being enlightened... |
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You are helping put food in the mouth of the author, regardless of what ideas are or are not in their next book. I find it ethically valid to boycott any entity if you disagree with something else they do. Otherwise, to use an extreme example, we should support British Petroleum because they do some good charity work around the world yet ignore their heinous behavior in offshore drilling?
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I have to agree with Elfwreck and Penforhire. I find Card's politics and viewpoints so much more abhorent than I find enjoyment in his writing that I cannot bring myself to read any of his books.
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11-19-2012, 11:33 PM | #90 |
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I certainly support your right (some might say responsibility) to boycott the work of someone of whom you disapprove - even if, as in this case, you disapprove of them for speaking according to their beliefs. But if you have already put a loaf of bread on his table by buying and reading one of his books, there is no reason to denigrate that work. A work of art is no less impressive for having been produced by a flawed human being (some might say just the reverse was true).
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