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As far as I'm aware, Microsoft has never tried to legislate for the moral standards of those using its products. Their corporate megalomania isn't an attractive trait, but it's far less dangerous than the pious, Big Brother tendencies of Apple. Apple sell sexy gadgets, manufactured in the kind of working conditions even George Orwell could hardly have imagined. Who are they to dictate what I can read or watch?
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STARSHIP TROOPERS, the book, is plotwise, about people caught in an interstellar war. Go a bit deeper, and it also includes a commentary about citizens' roles in their native society, the price of freedom and affluence, the role of soldiers in a society, and what kind of people voluntarily put their life at risk for their society. Its trying to get us to contrast that world, that society, to ours and wonder how would *we* react. Would we be Johnny Rico? Could we? Now, Heinlein's politics tended to be on the right side of the spectrum by today's standards, but JFK's "Ask not what your country can do for you..." line is right in line with what STARSHIPS TROOPERS is all about. In many ways the movie is a parody of the book. And in fact hardly anything in the movie comes from the book. One big hint: no powered armor. (Understand: Having read the book several times before seeing the movie, I *loathed* the movie. It smacked too much of "nazis in space." Just me, okay?) The Animated ROUGHNECKS, on the other hand, I really liked. (Yay! Power armor!) It was closer to the world of the book. If you're looking for a SF novel that is more of a space combat romp, with lots of tongue in cheek humor, check out the *free* sample chapter of THE LOOKING GLASS WAR over at BAEN. As for Apple's censoring ways, I think they would be doing themselves a favor if they would just publish their guidelines and simply say "Yes, we're prudes!" instead of creatig these tempests in a teapot twice-weekly. Apple's problem is they want the hip marketting image to disguise their fuddy-duddy puritanical ways. What they've forgotten is that its okay to be puritanical; WalMart is not terribly different in their unwillingness to carry explicit content but since everybody knows it, nobody makes a fuss anymore. Last edited by fjtorres; 06-19-2010 at 07:48 PM. Reason: Typo. |
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The 'porn is available in the browser' argument is not relevant. The browser doesn't have the full functionality of applications, nor the simplicity of use and customisation. It's true that customers can choose to use other products (and the vast majority do), but that's not really relevant either. Apple knows that most of its customers have no idea about their app store policies. And of course there is no actual valid reason for censorship other than Steve Jobs forcing his own views on his customers. Yes, Apple are not doing anything illegal. Just because their practices are legal doesn't mean people should not criticise them for ultimately doing harm to technology and users. |
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Exactly. And people such as nguirado should be able to praise them for how they feel they are approaching the issue, legally.
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You have a good point, KJK. You know that using Apple's products comes with a number of restrictions and prefer to live with them rather than without the iProducts. Fine with me. However, it must be publicized as widely as possible that Apple does stand for control, not for freedom.
The danger is not that people like you continue to happily buy Apple products, what is happening is that other companies (like Microsoft) are adopting this pro-censorship stance and in the end there will be no real choices left. Last edited by HansTWN; 06-19-2010 at 10:26 PM. |
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as far as awerness and warning is concerned I second Hans and greedo:
As long as it's only Appstore i don't give a piece of dung bout that, but i also have an uneasy kind of feeling that these could be seeds from which so sweet things as the "iNternet" might be bread - all this with guys like Jobs as "iNquisitors in charge" - nope thanks. Last edited by Freeshadow; 06-20-2010 at 12:03 AM. |
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http://www.intomobile.com/2010/06/08...bans-porn.html Twitter App for Zune HD Is Rated PG: No Swearing Allowed http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/12/twitter-zune-hd/ Microsoft accused of using teen, underpaid Chinese labor http://www.electronista.com/articles...#ixzz0rMstfbDe Foxconn and Flextronics to start shipping Natal Units to Microsoft http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100611PD215.html Sony, Nokia express concern over Foxconn suicides http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20006316-260.html http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-an...n-Site-635424/ Last edited by kjk; 06-20-2010 at 01:38 AM. |
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In the same way Apple isn't doing anything illegal with their censorship powers. This however does not make it right. |
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