firmware from other netronix clones

[mbovenka]

Originally Posted by Jellby

As far as I know, that's not RAM, that's internal storage space (think "hard disk").

Yep, 64 vs. 512 MB is the flash memory. Both have 16MB RAM, IIRC.

[lunohod]

It's impossible to install current pocketbook firmware on cybook. AFAIK, they've got different bootloaders and incompatible update procedures.

However, pocketbook developers have announced a modified version for other netronix clones. They're planning to sell it to the end customers.

[Abelturd]

Hip hip hoorraaaaaaay!! We finally have an alternative. Awesome news. Thanks.


Please, could you keep us posted about their progress in this area. It's pretty difficult to follow what's going on on their website if one doesn't speak russian or ukrainian. Thanks.

[brudigia]

Originally Posted by mbovenka

Yep, 64 vs. 512 MB is the flash memory. Both have 16MB RAM, IIRC.

Yes, sorry, I meant flash memory, as a hard disk.

[Nate the great]

Originally Posted by Abelturd

Hip hip hoorraaaaaaay!! We finally have an alternative. Awesome news. Thanks.


Please, could you keep us posted about their progress in this area. It's pretty difficult to follow what's going on on their website if one doesn't speak russian or ukrainian. Thanks.

The Google Language Tools are pretty good at translating those 2 languages.
http://www.google.com/language_tools

[Abelturd]

Another example that pocketbook guys are serious about what they're doing and of some good thinking is that they started pocketbook free project and released a SDK.

[Godzil]

I'm not sure that providing a SDK nor making a free project make people more serious than others

[Abelturd]

@ Godzil
Then you should maybe consider passing comments only on things you ARE sure about.Because unlike you, I have no doubt about it.

[ErwinOtten]

Originally Posted by Abelturd

@ Godzil
Then you should maybe consider passing comments only on things you ARE sure about.Because unlike you, I have no doubt about it.

Here I must strongly disagree...

Providing a SDK and making a free project are pure business decisions.
Just like Open Office is open and Microsoft Office is not. Nobody in their right minds can claim that microsoft isn't serious though..

I would prefer it if you came with arguments instead of accusations..

[Abelturd]

Originally Posted by ErwinOtten

Here I must strongly disagree...

Providing a SDK and making a free project are pure business decisions.
Just like Open Office is open and Microsoft Office is not. Nobody in their right minds can claim that microsoft isn't serious though..

I would prefer it if you came with arguments instead of accusations..

What are you talking about? Who did I accuse and of what exactly? All I said was that the pocketbook staff seems to be serious about what they're doing period. I haven't made any hints or insinuations to anyone.
And you can disagree all you want, nevertheless, the example you provided proves my point.
If a company is big and wealthy, it has enough funds to put into development and naturally it expects to turn profit, so it keeps its product closed to protect its investments and benefit from the innovations it came up with. On the other hand if you have a small company and you can't afford to spend a lot of money on huge teams of programmers (which I assumed was the case with pocketbook), you put your code out there, provide a sdk and let the community do the rest for you. You create a platform and coordinate the efforts. This will be beneficial for both the company and the users. If the platform is rich in features it becomes succesful, it grows in popularity and so does your product. The sales go up and you make more money. And the fact that pocketbook realized this is IMO some clever thinking on pocketbook's part.
You can argue with me, but the time will tell, all we have to do is to follow the situation around pocketbook. My guess is that it will become a popular platform.

Addendum:
For me being serious means to do the best thing under the given circumstances. Microsoft's revenue proves the best how serious they are. According to that, they're VERY SERIOUS! I have nothing but respect for them.

[EowynCarter]

Originally Posted by mbovenka

Yep, 64 vs. 512 MB is the flash memory. Both have 16MB RAM, IIRC.

Cybook : 200Mghz , 16k ram (Say bookeen website)
pocketbook : 400Mghz, 32k ram. sdhc (Say pocket book website),
http://translate.google.fr/translate...hl=fr&ie=UTF-8

So, even if you can install, and unless pocketbook put more horsepower in thier hardware than needed, it's likley to lag horibly. Game Over ! Period.

Sorry to cold down the enthusiasm here. But unless there are some gen 3 Cybook with 400Mgh proc, as rumored, and you're lucky enough to have one of these, well.

[Abelturd]

Originally Posted by EowynCarter

Cybook : 200Mghz , 16k ram (Say bookeen website)
pocketbook : 400Mghz, 32k ram. sdhc (Say pocket book website),
http://translate.google.fr/translate...hl=fr&ie=UTF-8

So, even if you can install, and unless pocketbook put more horsepower in thier hardware than needed, it's likley to lag horibly. Game Over ! Period.

Sorry to cold down the enthusiasm here. But unless there are some gen 3 Cybook with 400Mgh proc, as rumored, and you're lucky enough to have one of these, well.

You can't install pocketbook's fw unless they make a customized version of their FW for cybook. Pocketbook's FW also runs on eb100, so if the first condition is met, this shouldn't be an issue.

[ErwinOtten]

Originally Posted by Abelturd

What are you talking about? Who did I accuse and of what exactly? All I said was that the pocketbook staff seems to be serious about what they're doing period. I haven't made any hints or insinuations to anyone.
And you can disagree all you want, nevertheless, the example you provided proves my point.
If a company is big and wealthy, it has enough funds to put into development and naturally it expects to turn profit, so it keeps its product closed to protect its investments and benefit from the innovations it came up with. On the other hand if you have a small company and you can't afford to spend a lot of money on huge teams of programmers (which I assumed was the case with pocketbook), you put your code out there, provide a sdk and let the community do the rest for you. You create a platform and coordinate the efforts. This will be beneficial for both the company and the users. If the platform is rich in features it becomes succesful, it grows in popularity and so does your product. The sales go up and you make more money. And the fact that pocketbook realized this is IMO some clever thinking on pocketbook's part.
You can argue with me, but the time will tell, all we have to do is to follow the situation around pocketbook. My guess is that it will become a popular platform.

Addendum:
For me being serious means to do the best thing under the given circumstances. Microsoft's revenue proves the best how serious they are. According to that, they're VERY SERIOUS! I have nothing but respect for them.

I guess we have a little misunderstanding here.
I'm not questioning the fact that the pocketbook staff seems to be serious about what they are doing. All I'm saying is that there is no better way. There are pro's and con's in both ways. And I didn't comment on your first post about the seriousness of the pocketbook staff but merely on your reply to Godzil where you implicitly claim that people at pocketbook are more serious about their business than people at cybook. I don't believe that's true. They make different business decisions, and yes, maybe even better ones. Time will tell. But both companys are evenly serious about what they are doing.

[Abelturd]

Hm, yeah, it probably got lost somewhere in the translation.
I didn't mean no offence.
Maybe I should rephrase that. I honestly think that providing an open platform and a sdk is a better bussiness decision. But who am I to say.

*for a small company with limited resources, that is

[EowynCarter]

Originally Posted by Abelturd

You can't install pocketbook's fw unless they make a customized version of their FW for cybook. Pocketbook's FW also runs on eb100, so if the first condition is met, this shouldn't be an issue.

Except there are two versions of eb100. The pocketbook have a processor twice more powerfull, and twice more ram the the Cybook. The firmeware might NEED that extra power to work properly.

Then the cybook not being exactly the same, it will requiers adding drivers for the few stuff that changes. (Well, that can be done all right)

Yeah, having more than one firmware to chose from would be nice, but i don't see that happening anytime soon, so don't hold your breath for it.