Wish: Hotsync

vmax · 10-31-2002, 04:02 AM

I really like the ease of use of AvantGo, no desktop program to schedule and I can add/remove chanels via the web.

So my wishlist for iSilo is:
- Synchronisation at HotSync
- A way to put my .ixl on (my) site with a (php) web interface so that I can configure it even when on the road

If I had the time I'd do that last bit myself as I am working with xml and I know my way around php but with my current family situation and my workload I'm gonna have to wait till my stocks hit the sky again and I can retire

Other than that iSilo is a very worthy AvantGo replacement and more!

Alexander Turcic · 10-31-2002, 07:52 AM

Add to that list:

- multithreaded downloading.

Agrajag · 11-19-2002, 06:22 PM

This is the major big one for me as well. As an ex-AvantGo fan, this is big. I hate having to do this as two steps and XP makes it a pain to use Scheduler.

Once this is supported, assuming it happens (and it should of course only be an option) then Darren can focus on performance improvements to it all. AvantGo manages to get the content converted very quickly. Obviously it's possible and I don't think iSilo is far off but it is slower for all comparable content.

specific · 01-01-2003, 03:54 AM

Surely somebody could slap together a quick hack job of a conduit, forcing a run command like "C:\Program Files\iSilo\iSiloX\iSiloX.exe" -x "C:\My Documents\iSiloWWW.ixl" -u" before the isilo .pdbs are synced/installed?
I don't mind having to manually configure each of my isilox entries, but I'd really like to only have it download at hotsync like avantgo did (for the 2 hours I had it installed before I found isilo)

saw9000 · 01-02-2003, 09:19 AM

I agree on the performance improvements. I would like to see the conversion process go faster. However, if iSilo is to run with a conduit at HotSync, the developer will have to tread very carefully to avoid stepping on any of AvantGo's patents. I'm not sure how many of those there are, or what their nature, but it seems that the very process of delivering content whenever the device is synced is covered. Further, I would not be surprised if they were to attempt to enforce, given that everyone in this day and age is looking for an easy buck.
Scott

allengoodman · 02-09-2003, 11:11 PM

How about wireless downloads. Avantgo can do this. I can go in with a cell phone and get my Avantgo info. Is this possible with Isilo? Thanks, Al

cbulock · 02-10-2003, 12:18 AM

Another feature that is cool in Avantgo is the ability to fill out forms and have them sent out on your next Hotsync. I would like to see that in a future version of ISilo.

dgoeg · 02-10-2003, 03:54 PM

Wireless download is the only thing I miss with isilox compared to avantgo.

But anyway, I don't often use that.

Agrajag · 02-13-2003, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by saw9000@Jan 2 2003, 02:19 PM
I agree on the performance improvements. I would like to see the conversion process go faster. However, if iSilo is to run with a conduit at HotSync, the developer will have to tread very carefully to avoid stepping on any of AvantGo's patents. I'm not sure how many of those there are, or what their nature, but it seems that the very process of delivering content whenever the device is synced is covered. Further, I would not be surprised if they were to attempt to enforce, given that everyone in this day and age is looking for an easy buck.
Scott

I don't believe this is a problem. Mazingo hotsync's as do dozens of other commercial apps. Have you seen Showtimes? It has a beatiful conduit and it's a pretty basic app so nice conduits are possible.

Agrajag · 02-13-2003, 09:59 PM

And before I forget, I tried to convey that, regardless of dislike for AvantGo, it is the major player in this arena and it's what any site plucking tools are going to be compared to so it's essential that all the core functionality of AvantGo is matched. Otherwise iSilo will never really reach mass appeal.

bdjmobile · 02-14-2003, 11:51 AM

I'm not against the enhancements that are expressed here, but please don't do them in a way that removes the things I find superior to avantgo. The avantgo caching and wireless support are both done by forcing you through their server - and I find that that raises problems:

1) you are dependent on their web service being available - and even they are subject to service load issues at times. ( plus, who pays for the running of the servers? Avantgo does this via subscriptions or advertiser support - two things I can do without).

2) their server cannot reach back through corporate firewalls to sites inside a company (unless my company purchases extra software or services), nor can it sync stuff on my hard drive.

So in short, the things about Avantgo that provide those extra services are precisely why I moved from Avantgo to iSilo - please don't saddle me with those same limitations.

hacker · 03-21-2003, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by allengoodman
How about wireless downloads. Avantgo can do this. I can go in with a cell phone and get my Avantgo info. Is this possible with Isilo? Thanks, Al

Did you also know that AvantGo actively employs "web bugs" on every page it returns to the user, to track their users and usage? I just sync'd with AvantGo in POSE, and noticed a few bad links. Further digging revealed a suspiscious link to:

http://logc2.xiti.com/hit.xiti?s=432...&p=WWW_mobiles

Which is a 1x1 pixel transparent gif, a web bug. Now why would they need that in their pages, you have to wonder.

Along with all of the other security issues with the AvantGo client, their overly-restrictive policies, ridiculous pricing model (for their server product), and the other unattractive features that other clients surpass it in, you have to wonder why people still continue to choose it over the better alternatives.

Alexander Turcic · 03-21-2003, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hacker
Did you also know that AvantGo actively employs "web bugs" on every page it returns to the user, to track their users and usage? I just sync'd with AvantGo in POSE, and noticed a few bad links. Further digging revealed a suspiscious link to:

http://logc2.xiti.com/hit.xiti?s=432...&p=WWW_mobiles

Which is a 1x1 pixel transparent gif, a web bug. Now why would they need that in their pages, you have to wonder.

Along with all of the other security issues with the AvantGo client, their overly-restrictive policies, ridiculous pricing model (for their server product), and the other unattractive features that other clients surpass it in, you have to wonder why people still continue to choose it over the better alternatives.

Very interesting! Yes, some AvantGo Content Provider told me that this is actually one of the few reasons why he likes people to use AvantGo instead of another browser. This way they can exactly track people's browser usage

allengoodman · 03-28-2003, 09:51 PM

I guess the hotsync is the biggest thing. I have never been able to get the scheduler to work in XP. Therefore, first thing in the morning I hit Isilo to convert. Then later I hotsync. I really like the autoscrolling.

10-31-2002, 04:02 AM	#1
vmax Junior Member Posts: 7 Karma: 24 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe	I really like the ease of use of AvantGo, no desktop program to schedule and I can add/remove chanels via the web. So my wishlist for iSilo is: - Synchronisation at HotSync - A way to put my .ixl on (my) site with a (php) web interface so that I can configure it even when on the road If I had the time I'd do that last bit myself as I am working with xml and I know my way around php but with my current family situation and my workload I'm gonna have to wait till my stocks hit the sky again and I can retire Other than that iSilo is a very worthy AvantGo replacement and more!

10-31-2002, 07:52 AM	#2
Alexander Turcic Fully Converged Posts: 18,163 Karma: 14021202 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Switzerland Device: Too many to count here.	Add to that list: - multithreaded downloading.

11-19-2002, 06:22 PM	#3
Agrajag Connoisseur Posts: 54 Karma: 2314 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Device: Nook Simple Touch	This is the major big one for me as well. As an ex-AvantGo fan, this is big. I hate having to do this as two steps and XP makes it a pain to use Scheduler. Once this is supported, assuming it happens (and it should of course only be an option) then Darren can focus on performance improvements to it all. AvantGo manages to get the content converted very quickly. Obviously it's possible and I don't think iSilo is far off but it is slower for all comparable content.

01-01-2003, 03:54 AM	#4
specific Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 26 Join Date: Dec 2002	Surely somebody could slap together a quick hack job of a conduit, forcing a run command like "C:\Program Files\iSilo\iSiloX\iSiloX.exe" -x "C:\My Documents\iSiloWWW.ixl" -u" before the isilo .pdbs are synced/installed? I don't mind having to manually configure each of my isilox entries, but I'd really like to only have it download at hotsync like avantgo did (for the 2 hours I had it installed before I found isilo)

01-02-2003, 09:19 AM	#5
saw9000 Zealot Posts: 118 Karma: 4598 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Baton Rouge	I agree on the performance improvements. I would like to see the conversion process go faster. However, if iSilo is to run with a conduit at HotSync, the developer will have to tread very carefully to avoid stepping on any of AvantGo's patents. I'm not sure how many of those there are, or what their nature, but it seems that the very process of delivering content whenever the device is synced is covered. Further, I would not be surprised if they were to attempt to enforce, given that everyone in this day and age is looking for an easy buck. Scott

02-09-2003, 11:11 PM	#6
allengoodman Junior Member Posts: 5 Karma: 20 Join Date: Feb 2003	How about wireless downloads. Avantgo can do this. I can go in with a cell phone and get my Avantgo info. Is this possible with Isilo? Thanks, Al

02-10-2003, 12:18 AM	#7
cbulock Member Posts: 11 Karma: 20 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: MI, USA Device: Clie NX60	Another feature that is cool in Avantgo is the ability to fill out forms and have them sent out on your next Hotsync. I would like to see that in a future version of ISilo.

02-10-2003, 03:54 PM	#8
dgoeg Member Posts: 10 Karma: 30 Join Date: Jan 2003	Wireless download is the only thing I miss with isilox compared to avantgo. But anyway, I don't often use that.

02-13-2003, 09:59 PM	#10
Agrajag Connoisseur Posts: 54 Karma: 2314 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Device: Nook Simple Touch	And before I forget, I tried to convey that, regardless of dislike for AvantGo, it is the major player in this arena and it's what any site plucking tools are going to be compared to so it's essential that all the core functionality of AvantGo is matched. Otherwise iSilo will never really reach mass appeal.

02-14-2003, 11:51 AM	#11
bdjmobile Member Posts: 11 Karma: 14 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Massachusetts	I'm not against the enhancements that are expressed here, but please don't do them in a way that removes the things I find superior to avantgo. The avantgo caching and wireless support are both done by forcing you through their server - and I find that that raises problems: 1) you are dependent on their web service being available - and even they are subject to service load issues at times. ( plus, who pays for the running of the servers? Avantgo does this via subscriptions or advertiser support - two things I can do without). 2) their server cannot reach back through corporate firewalls to sites inside a company (unless my company purchases extra software or services), nor can it sync stuff on my hard drive. So in short, the things about Avantgo that provide those extra services are precisely why I moved from Avantgo to iSilo - please don't saddle me with those same limitations.

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03-28-2003, 09:51 PM	#14
allengoodman Junior Member Posts: 5 Karma: 20 Join Date: Feb 2003	I guess the hotsync is the biggest thing. I have never been able to get the scheduler to work in XP. Therefore, first thing in the morning I hit Isilo to convert. Then later I hotsync. I really like the autoscrolling.