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I suspect that the biggest reason Windows has been more susceptible to viruses than the Mac is because those who wrote the nasty programs just didn't bother to do so for the small installed Mac base. The payoff was just so much larger for Windows. --Pat Last edited by PatNY; 11-24-2012 at 10:22 AM. |
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11-24-2012, 09:55 AM | #92 |
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11-24-2012, 10:53 AM | #93 |
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I've run a dozen or more Windows machines including a Windows server for many years and have never had a virus or trojan. But, I make sure that everyone's machine is up to date with the OS and the virus scanners. After so many years, it's trivial.
As long as you and your machine isn't specifically targeted, it doesn't take much to protect it. Bigger problems come from socially engineered viruses/trojans such as spear fishing or clicking on links at sites that should be safe. DH works for a computer security company and we talk about these threats all the time. Ironically, his company's hardware doesn't work with IOS machines because Apple won't license IOS. I'm glad Samsung is giving Apple competition. Competition is good and over time should give us, the consumers, better products at better prices. |
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As for crucifying, he made a disparaging comment during a phone call a couple of years ago. I'm sure he wouldn't feel bound by that now. Quote:
There were a lot of imperfections under Jobs. Quote:
People who are critical of Apple tend to not know much about Jobs and thus completely mischaracterize him as someone who never changed his mind. There are two psychological motives for this, AFAICT. The first is that it helps paint Apple users as sheep, mindlessly following a "Messiah." And the second is that it allows them to predict Apple's demise, on the basis that what Apple is now doing is somehow inconsistent with what Jobs once said about something. But of course this is ridiculous because, as mentioned above, he changed his mind all the time. Probably one of his strengths as a manager was that he surrounded himself with people strong enough to change his mind when necessary. (The most interesting parts of the isaacson bio are where people need to find a way to show him he's wrong about something (Corning CEO Wendell Weeks: "Shut up, Steve, and let me tell you about science).) On the specific iPad mini issue, it's pretty hard to argue on the merits that it's going to hurt Apple. |
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Well, it's very apparent that he modeled his CEO style and management methodologies around the guru/followers which he studied in India. So I for one do not think the characterization is entirely wrong.
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11-24-2012, 03:54 PM | #96 | |
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If I bought a Mac, I would still have to search out protection. I don't have enough faith in the impenetrability of the Mac to go naked. Seems a bit like trying to find a "safe" town so that I can leave my home unlocked and weld my car's key into the ignition. |
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11-24-2012, 05:02 PM | #97 |
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Hey, here's an idea, If you write your own operating system and applications, then there will be no virus problems.
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11-24-2012, 05:24 PM | #98 | |
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Really there's no difference in a Mac or a PC getting malware. With the exception of drive by downloads, which both platforms can and do suffer from due to flaws in 3rd party software along with an exploit in the platform itself. The way I think most people end up infected is downloading and running a trojan themselves and there's little Apple/MS or AV firms can do against that until the trojan becomes known and they can update kill lists. One argument in favour of AV though is if they include usable/decent heuristics rather than relying solely on scan strings. Or, if the AV firm reacts quicker than Apple (and MS if they now do the same in win8?) do to new threats and updating the kill strings. I think as the mac user base grows, so will the time people spend finding exploits and selling them on the black market. This will eventually result in parity with windows for the amount of malware targeting their respective users. When choosing between Mac/PC, malware really should be the least important factor imo. |
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11-24-2012, 06:17 PM | #101 | |
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This is not saying Macs are immune... nothing is immune but some things are more likely than others... and I pay far more attention to AV software on my PCs (physical and virtual) than I do on my Mac... and guess which platform has caused me trouble with attacks... |
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In comparison, the other things you mentioned were casual answers to questions posed by journalists -- short and simply dismissive in nature, without the same amount of venom or effort he used to bash the 7” tablet. At the time of the comments, Apple was also feeling threatened by the 7” tablets which had started to encroach on their iPad market share. So this was part of Jobs’ personal fatwa. At the time Jobs dismissed video on the ipod or 3rd party apps, there were no threatening competing products at the time. So I think the circumstances were different. Of course no one will ever know for sure, but I believe we would not have a Mini today if jobs were still actively heading Apple. There would be too many venomous words to eat here – and too public and adamant a position to reconcile if he had changed course. Quote:
1) Apple prides itself on its software. They claim that’s what differentiates themselves from the others. And the half-baked maps app was a pure software mistake – unlike the antenna issue which was a hardware design problem, or MobileMe which entailed the uncertainties of home computing environments for both Windows and Mac users. So one can excuse or at least understand the sync and antenna issues, which were hard to anticipate. Mapgate was completely foreseeable and inexcusable. 2) This was a problem that Apple anticipated and essentially ignored initially. Developers reportedly WARNED Apple about the deficiencies in the app and claim Apple was internally well aware of the problems. Developers even complained that the “broken” map app “broke” their own apps which relied on accurate map imagery. Never has an Apple software introduction been the butt of so many jokes. That tells you all you need to know how different this misstep was. What major problems did Apple have with their iOS cut-and-paste? I am not aware of any. Quote:
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True... on their site you can find about 30-50K PC virus variants and probably less than a couple of hundred (half preOS/X) Mac virus variants... hmmm what's so relevant - a list of a few Apple viruses or a list of tens of thousands for a PCs, wow guess there may be a difference in infection chances and necessity for heavy duty AV software - no, probably an anecdotal idea, kill the Typhoid Mary Macs...
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So Google really is eating Apples for lunch.
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