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First you quote Tschmuck, and then Liebowitz. Tschmuck actually doesn't think very much of the "unrealistic assumptions" in Liebowitz's study (quite apart from the fact that Liebowitz was a fellow of the Heartland Institute - hardly a recommendation). Maybe you should also link to a more detailed summary of what Tschmuck has to say, in particular his conclusion:
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How to proceed is a seperate question. Note that apart from vaguely referring to "new business models" ( Just what ARE these new business models? Are they like unicorns?) Tschmuck doesn't offer anything substantial on how to proceed. |
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Which leaves Liebowitz. Nuff said. You appear to be correct that he doesn't recommend specifics of a new business model but he does talk about "flat rates" and new forms of copyright, sounds a bit like the (successful so far) Netflix/Spotify model to me. He does seem confident that the current oligopolistic business structure and pursuing file sharing networks is on a hiding to nothing, which seems fairly self-evident. Whether the suits are going to make as much as they're used to under those models is debatable, but that's what happens when an industry changes. One of the specific points he makes in his blog is that there is a shift in the balance of power from the intermediaries to the artists. That in turn is likely to mean more recompense for the artist and less for the intermediaries, a shift I would have thought you would favour. I certainly do. I do admire your persistence in your cause, but I doubt it's going to succeed. I still recommend a better source than a blog written by a newly hatched media lawyer hoping to make a few bucks working for the media companies. |
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Its kind of unimportant who the aggregator is( so far as I know, the guy who wrote the Teleread post has NO legal, economics or business training. THat doesn't mean that we should dismiss any source he quotes out of hand. The key fact is that the majority of independent academic studies conclude that piracy causes significant harm, even if they disagree as to how to measure the harm or what the remedy should be. That alone should explode the myth that there is no evidencethat piracy causes no harm.Both the US government and the courts also agree, justto pile on. Don't like Copyhpe? How about this guy? Quote:
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Try those guys on for now. There's more. |
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"Smurfing" has, unfortunately, already been taken; it's used to describe the practice of meth manufacturers who small quantities of pseudoephedrine from a lot of different retailers so as to avoid per transaction limits that would prohibit them from buying a large amount at one retailer.
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I did. What I saw was two rants with no statistical, economic listing of evidence, or even research, which are the furthest possible I can imagine from "independent academic studies". If you want rants by people who have had some experience in the "music industry" then there are plenty on both sides. How about:
When Pigs Fly: The Death of Oink, the Birth of Dissent, and a Brief History of Record Industry Suicide. Just as valid, much better written and, to my mind, a firmer grasp of reality with less "head in the sand" ranting. Spotify is already heading that way. |
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as always, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. piracy is probably neutral, any harm is balanced out by people using it to find new x to buy.
i'm really not in the mood to trot out the record profit statements of the affected entertainments yet again. the simple fact is that if piracy were indeed so harmful, profits would be falling not going up year after year after year. |
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Over the last few years I asked my kids (We have five, three daughters and two sons) why they do not buy many CD albums. The answer almost universally was; "Dad, because most of the CD is crap and I would rather buy the songs I like." Yep, they buy one or two songs but NEVER the whole CD, thus a non sale of said CD. Hello iTunes. Teenagers these days also share the music they buy, EXACTLY the same as most, if not all of us did thirty years ago, except on different media. Nothing really changes. The single exception on the most part is our oldest son who DJ's and bar keeps part time (he is a fourth year law student). He buys vinyl LP's direct from the UK. Are vinyl sales included in RIAA's sales figures? Who knows.... Doubtful, as my son listens to non mainstream stuff. File sharing has not caused the entire decline in sound recording sales. That is utter bovine excrement, sprouted by the RIAA alongside the claim that each download equals a lost sale. A shift in buying methodology entirely related to the digital economy has impacted recording sales. |
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What do I think of it all. I think any movie worth seeing is worth seeing on the big screen so my entire family go at least once a month, more often than not a lot more often. Have I been naughty and downloaded movies yes, but I did it for a friend who was dying and unable to leave the house for the last 18 months of his life. He was a huge movie fan. My attitude was I pay so much out for movies letting him enjoy his passion in his last days was something I would break the rules for. I did not think they lost anything, my family still paid out and went to the cinema.
as far as tv shows go I think vcrs where around for ever if I prefer to watch xvids of tv shows I miss rather than using my personal recorder it is splitting hairs. Yes I know you shouldnt but I seriouslu see it no worse than using your personal recorder. music if I buy the CD I am so not paying for the mp3 tho it tends to be mp3s these days over cds purchased. I was given some ebooks from friends of which I owned the paper versions, nope I do not feel bad like that. I give friends my paper books all the time. I do not see it any different. I might if they where people who reread stuff but like me they tend to read and give away. artists need to be paid but there is always a grey line on just how hard to cut it off. applesauce |
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I would also point out that while recorded music may or may not be down, the music industry as a whole is seeing increased profits.
I'm going to post this even though I've posted it once or twice before: There's a link here to the report the above is based on. It's hard to take publisher and record company complaints about piracy seriously when their studies are questionable and when they have benefited so much from an open internet. |