Question about using mobipocket dictionary on Kindle - Page 2

HarryT · 09-07-2008, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bripam

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What I don't get is why I need to remove the DRM to use the file that I purchased ... doesn't that remove any potential benefit from the DRMing and just make the end user irritated? How can this go on so long and not get fixed ... I've been trying to get a dictionary for months and I have no alternative other than to mess with the file in order to get it on my hardware. That sucks.
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It was your choice to buy that hardware in the first place. If using MobiPocket dictionaries is important to you, why didn't you purchase a device which could use them directly? With respect, it seems a little unreasonable to blame the device manufacturer for a choice that you made.

JSWolf · 09-07-2008, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bripam

I am not sure of the legality of the mobidedrm, but if the sample works as a dictionary, then after removing the DRM, it will still work as a dictionary.

[rant]
What I don't get is why I need to remove the DRM to use the file that I purchased ... doesn't that remove any potential benefit from the DRMing and just make the end user irritated? How can this go on so long and not get fixed ... I've been trying to get a dictionary for months and I have no alternative other than to mess with the file in order to get it on my hardware. That sucks.
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There is no potential benefit to DRM. Can you name me one? You did decide to purchase a Kindle and if you now find that you cannget get a dictionary for it that you want, who have you to blame but yourself? If you had purchased a device that used Mobipocket dictionaries directly, you would not have these problems. No need to rant about a problem that you did cause for yourself.

wallcraft · 09-07-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by bripam

What I don't get is why I need to remove the DRM to use the file that I purchased ... doesn't that remove any potential benefit from the DRMing and just make the end user irritated?

It is a strategy Amazon has adopted of locking down all Kindle ebooks just to the Kindle, even though DRMed MOBI ebooks would work perfectly well on the Kindle if Amazon let them. DRM is for the convenience of the publisher, or in this case of the device maker, not the consumer. One way this backfires is that it forces readers to either strip the DRM, or buy an ebook twice or, as in this case, forgo a needed capability.

HarryT · 09-07-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by wallcraft

It is a strategy Amazon has adopted of locking down all Kindle ebooks just to the Kindle, even though DRMed MOBI ebooks would work perfectly well on the Kindle if Amazon let them. DRM is for the convenience of the publisher, or in this case of the device maker, not the consumer. One way this backfires is that it forces readers to either strip the DRM, or buy an ebook twice or, as in this case, forgo a needed capability.

That's why it's important to do your research properly before you buy. If buying MobiPocket books is important to you, it doesn't really make a great deal of sense to buy a Kindle.

JSWolf · 09-07-2008, 11:59 AM

I have to agree 100% with Harry. Unless of course you can remove the DRM, then it is OK to buy a Kindle for Mobipocket eBooks.

stark23x · 09-07-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

That's why it's important to do your research properly before you buy. If buying MobiPocket books is important to you, it doesn't really make a great deal of sense to buy a Kindle.

The wierdness of anyone who doesn't get paid to do so defending DRM aside, Amazon owns Mobipocket. The simple fact is secure Mobi not working on the Kindle without hacking is just stupid. They could literally own the entire ebook space if they simply allowed sales from other stores to work via secure Mobi.

We should complain, loudly and often, until they change their policy. It will helps us as consumers and put money in Amazon's pockets.

HarryT · 09-08-2008, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by stark23x

The wierdness of anyone who doesn't get paid to do so defending DRM aside, Amazon owns Mobipocket. The simple fact is secure Mobi not working on the Kindle without hacking is just stupid. They could literally own the entire ebook space if they simply allowed sales from other stores to work via secure Mobi.

I'm certainly not "defending" DRM. Just saying that it does no good to complain about something that you knew to be the case at the time that you bought your Kindle. There are several devices other than the Kindle that you could have bought had buying Mobi books been a high priority for you.

jamckenna · 09-08-2008, 12:53 PM

Harry, you miss the point. I may prefer a Kindle for many reasons, but it's still perfectly legitimate to complain to Amazon about not providing a fr-eng dictionary, either on their own or through mobipocket. To paraphrase Chesterton, you may love your mother drunk or sober, but you still want her sober.

HarryT · 09-08-2008, 01:08 PM

Certainly you can complain. I'm afraid I just feel that you're highly unlikely to achieve anything by doing so

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DaleDe · 09-16-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

I have to agree 100% with Harry. Unless of course you can remove the DRM, then it is OK to buy a Kindle for Mobipocket eBooks.

Actually it depends on where you buy the Mobipocket formatted eBooks. Igor's fix allows DRM books to work on the Kindle if they are purchased from a site that will let you register your Kindle. The Mobipocket site will not let you register your Kindle but several other sites will. Libraries will also allow registering your Kindle to check out Mobipocket eBooks.

Dale

bripam · 09-16-2008, 06:14 PM

It is surprising that Amazon is not selling dictionaries formatted for the kindle (they do sell fr-eng dictionaries, but those files can't be used with the "lookup" feature). There certainly is a demand for it ... when I contacted kindle support they said that something would be available soon (that was a couple of months ago).

As users get books from other sources they will get less from Amazon. Feedbooks.com has a catalog which works very well with the kindle over sprint's 3G network (and the books are free).

suze2000 · 02-03-2010, 06:51 AM

What annoys me about this whole thing is that

a) Amazon advertises that K2 is mobi-compatible.

b) test books from Mobipocket work fine.

c) it's only after buying a whole book that you find out that you can't open it because of the stupid DRM.

What really bugs me about it is that people will get books for free if they want to. DRM will not stop the exchange of books. It's the same as the stupid region restrictions. If I can't buy the book because I'm not in the US, you pretty much force me to find it "by other means". How does this help anyone make a profit?

angelad · 02-03-2010, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by suze2000

What annoys me about this whole thing is that

a) Amazon advertises that K2 is mobi-compatible.

b) test books from Mobipocket work fine.

c) it's only after buying a whole book that you find out that you can't open it because of the stupid DRM.

What really bugs me about it is that people will get books for free if they want to. DRM will not stop the exchange of books. It's the same as the stupid region restrictions. If I can't buy the book because I'm not in the US, you pretty much force me to find it "by other means". How does this help anyone make a profit?

Classic example of an idea that sounds good in theory for the corporate folk, but fails miserably to account for the actual customers.

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09-07-2008, 11:59 AM	#20
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,974 Karma: 128903378 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	I have to agree 100% with Harry. Unless of course you can remove the DRM, then it is OK to buy a Kindle for Mobipocket eBooks.

09-08-2008, 12:53 PM	#23
jamckenna Junior Member Posts: 4 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2008 Device: Kindle	Harry, you miss the point. I may prefer a Kindle for many reasons, but it's still perfectly legitimate to complain to Amazon about not providing a fr-eng dictionary, either on their own or through mobipocket. To paraphrase Chesterton, you may love your mother drunk or sober, but you still want her sober.

09-08-2008, 01:08 PM	#24
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Certainly you can complain. I'm afraid I just feel that you're highly unlikely to achieve anything by doing so .

09-16-2008, 06:14 PM	#26
bripam Junior Member Posts: 3 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2008 Device: Kindle	It is surprising that Amazon is not selling dictionaries formatted for the kindle (they do sell fr-eng dictionaries, but those files can't be used with the "lookup" feature). There certainly is a demand for it ... when I contacted kindle support they said that something would be available soon (that was a couple of months ago). As users get books from other sources they will get less from Amazon. Feedbooks.com has a catalog which works very well with the kindle over sprint's 3G network (and the books are free).

02-03-2010, 06:51 AM	#27
suze2000 Junior Member Posts: 2 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Kindle 2 (Intl)	What annoys me about this whole thing is that a) Amazon advertises that K2 is mobi-compatible. b) test books from Mobipocket work fine. c) it's only after buying a whole book that you find out that you can't open it because of the stupid DRM. What really bugs me about it is that people will get books for free if they want to. DRM will not stop the exchange of books. It's the same as the stupid region restrictions. If I can't buy the book because I'm not in the US, you pretty much force me to find it "by other means". How does this help anyone make a profit?

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