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If the book does sell out, though, Eileen will start getting some very nice royalty cheques. |
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06-30-2012, 02:50 PM | #17 | |
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As I said, the claims of vast marketing power, 'shelves of the book in all book shops' and a tiny advance... do not compute. If they really want a book that much, the author should have no trouble getting a six figure advance from them even today. |
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06-30-2012, 03:25 PM | #18 |
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I'm not that obsessed about getting a huge advance. I know two authors who got big advances that didn't earn out, and they were untouchable after that. I'd rather take a smaller advance and have the prospect of some royalties later on.
Returns has never been an issue before, but if they have a big print run, and there are significant returns, then I'm going to look bad. |
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Your mother will be fine. Just tell her that your work is like making and selling confectioners sugar. Very fine, very sweet and very specialized and not for everyone. (You can use that if you want.) Go get them, gal! |
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06-30-2012, 04:28 PM | #20 |
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Thank you, frahse, I'll do my best. I keep telling myself it's only 2000 words a day, and I do that anyway.
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06-30-2012, 06:13 PM | #21 | |
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For erotica writers, I'd recommend self-publishing or connecting with an indie house (the one I work for is always looking for new authors, but our business model is very nonstandard); there are nuances in the industry that the Big Six are fairly oblivious to. If your novel *is* "the next 50 Shades," you deserve more than 17.5% of list for it. Konrath points out that he makes a lot more selling his own work than through mainstream publishers. Konrath's blog is great for self-pub inspiration. It's not strong on the practical side of things, nor in advice for the crucial "Write WELL" part of the equation, but he does a great job of convincing aspiring authors that going it alone is just as valid a business decision as hiring on with a publisher. If you *do* want to sign with a publisher (because hey, business stuff is frustrating, and not having to find an editor and cover design and format ebooks is nice), I strongly recommend reading some of Rusch's and Smith's posts about the industry, and looking through The Passive Voice's contract collection before signing. |
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06-30-2012, 06:58 PM | #22 |
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I already publish erotica with Ellora's Cave. It's not a genre I'd fancy self-pubbing at all.
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My uninformed opinion is that $5,000 is a decent deal (certainly around what mid-list writers are getting), but hopefully your agent (if you have one) or lawyer can look at your contract for royalties (in the event the book is indeed a success). |
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Before she hands them the manuscript! (Except perhaps for a taste.) |
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07-02-2012, 11:40 AM | #26 |
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If they are promising a big marketing push, have them put the marketing budget (and some rough plans) IN THE CONTRACT.
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I agree with most in this thread, check for the details around the non-compete and go for it! Do you have a lawyer or someone that can review the contract for you?
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07-05-2012, 01:54 PM | #29 | |
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Erotica and erotic romance for women are very hot right now. Publishers are jumping on board the craze in a big way. There's no way of knowing how long it will last, so I'm not surprised at all about the short lead time. It could go poof at any time. Remember chick lit? And alas, $5000 is an average midlist advance. Have a look at Brenda Hiatt's Show Me the Money report, which she keeps up to date with information authors report to her privately, for an idea of the range of advances for the various romance publishing imprints. Last edited by Suzanna; 07-05-2012 at 01:59 PM. |
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07-05-2012, 08:48 PM | #30 |
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Yes, the short lead time is so that they can have it in print in time for Christmas shopping and they need to cash in on the 50 Shades thing. And that's why I'm sure they are not making multpile offers, there are simply not that many erotica writers about who are as good (and fast) as we are. There was a lot of mention in the media about us writing a 30k novella in ten days.
According to a writer friend, the advance is similar to what she gets for ghost writing for them. |
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