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09-21-2013, 02:03 AM | #17 |
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09-21-2013, 03:18 AM | #18 |
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Yes, your site your rules. But changing the rules and removing content they have said "ad nauseaum" that belong to the users without warning and going away on weekend? Not a nice move.
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09-21-2013, 04:17 AM | #19 |
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I fully support the changes that GoodReads is going to be making to their site. I'm a lover of YA, and this particular genre sees a lot of unnecessary drama due to GoodReads not stepping in and calling a spade a spade; authors are not their works. If you don't like an author, that doesn't mean that a review of one of their books in which you simply trash the author is a worthwhile review. If we try to draw lines in the sand so that "this amount of author trashing is okay, but this amount isn't", we'll end up with something ridiculously staggered.
It's all or nothing. I support this choice; if you obey GoodReads' site terms (which you agreed to obey when you registered, whether or not you read them - ignorance is no excuse), you won't have reviews or shelves removed. If you want to trash Sammy McStrudle for the content of his being rather than the content of his novel, you do so on your own personal website - you don't go to GoodReads and write an absurd review. In the same vein, if I want to swear bloody murder, I do it in my own house, not my grandmother's. |
09-21-2013, 04:42 AM | #20 |
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I think Goodreads could have gone about it in a better, more open fashion, but I don't have any issues with the changes. To me it has always been about the actual book, not the author. Seeing all the drama in blogging circles and how certain 'reviewers' react to authors and the attitude they have towards authors, I think this might just be a change for the better.
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09-21-2013, 04:53 AM | #21 |
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Well, two sides of the coin and goodreads has taken one side (money, that is). Reviewers make a fuss and authors make a fuss, too (I've seen both).
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09-21-2013, 05:02 AM | #22 |
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Abusive reviews are a "whatever" for me, though I'd prefer the writer get a heads-up before deletion, and where the line is drawn is going to be a major issue. Shelves, though, are going to potentially be an even bigger area of contention. If I don't want to read Orson Scott Card because of his political actions, and I make a personal bookshelf (with a non-abusive name) to remind myself that I don't want to put money in his pocket to further his goals, I'm not really on board with that being summarily disallowed.
Note that the twonks at STGRB have demanded that shelves such as "snowflakes" and "llamas" be disallowed. What other random words are going to end up being verboten? Readers will always find a way to let other readers know what they think of books, and of authors. |
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This is apparently a message authors now get when commenting on reviews of their own books, so it seems changes go both ways. Not sure authors are getting preferential treatment.
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The authors are treated better than readers because they only may go under review for outside-of-guidelines behavior while readers get the immediate deletion of their reviews and shelves. Readers are treated better than authors because they get to socialize more authors are discouraged from interaction, so readers get to vent and authors don't. Quote:
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09-21-2013, 08:09 AM | #25 |
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No. In the end, everyone will forget and/or move on. And business will continue as usual for GoodReads and the vast majority of its users. At least right up until the next "outrage" that ruffles the feathers of a very small (albeit very noisy) percentage of GoodReads users who were itching to be outraged in the first place.
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I have read all of the comments in the news linked in the OP (I wouldn't have commented here, had I not read the link) - and I can understand why they would see 'due to author' as potentially negative. As I said, you can't draw lines in the sand as to what's okay and what's not: when you're being as vague as 'due to author', the staff can't know whether you're saying 'I don't like Stephenie Meyer's writing style' or 'Orson Scott Card is a twat'. I doubt they would have time to message millions of users to ask them about the exact intentions of their shelves; however, GoodReads should have handled this better. They should have given users warning so that they could edit the phrasing for their shelves (changing 'due to author' to 'due to writing', for instance). Despite that, I feel that GoodReads have made the right decision. Quote:
(But GoodReads should have handled this better; prior warning would have been nice - stupid reviews and shelves are stupid, though, and have got to go. If you're going to be cruel, you deserve no warnings; it's for the above shelf that we're discussing that I'm making the 'prior warning' comment - which then brings about the total impossibility of individually approaching and conversing with millions of users, and - oh, you could really go around in circles with this! I imagine this thread will!) |
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09-21-2013, 09:38 AM | #29 |
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"Don't be a nutjob."
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09-21-2013, 10:06 AM | #30 |
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Sounds pretty good to me, although it will of course depend on how it's policed and handled. However, maybe now Goodreads can become a site that is also useful to all those who aren't interested in a new hang-out, but would like a reasonably dependable review site.
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