epub3 - Page 3

DiapDealer · 07-20-2012, 07:06 AM

In all fairness... there was no need to google, even. I posted the link for Liz' blog after the first request for it. In post #6.

mrmikel · 07-20-2012, 07:09 AM

Some of the difficulty new users have is the search engine. I love everything about this site but its terrible search engine. It simply doesn't retrieve material that is here.

Toxaris · 07-20-2012, 07:22 AM

The search engine can have some improvement, but when I search for 'epub3 video' around the third hit give a code example how to do it. No rocket science involved there.
For some searches the more advanced version needs to be used.

*Edit: It is actually the fourth link.

Jellby · 07-20-2012, 11:00 AM

ePub 3 has some advantages for "normal" books too, like HTML5 syntax (potentially simpler than XHTML), support for additional CSS properties (like text-transform), possible inline TOC (replacing NCX)...

If I had a well-behaved ePub 3 reader, I'd be creating ePub 3 books already.

JSWolf · 07-20-2012, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jellby

ePub 3 has some advantages for "normal" books too, like HTML5 syntax (potentially simpler than XHTML), support for additional CSS properties (like text-transform), possible inline TOC (replacing NCX)...

If I had a well-behaved ePub 3 reader, I'd be creating ePub 3 books already.

I doubt HTML5 is simpler then XHTML. Also, the ePub3 ToC is more difficult then the NCX ToC. Overall, ePub3 (IMHO) ePub3 is not easier then ePub. Plus, there are not many tools to help with ePub3. And given that there are no real readers for ePub3, making eBooks now in ePub3 is a total waste of time and effort as nobody will be reading them.

DiapDealer · 07-20-2012, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I doubt HTML5 is simpler then XHTML.

You'd be wrong.

PeterT · 07-20-2012, 06:24 PM

You could also try browsing http://code.google.com/p/epub-samples/ for samples of ePub3 files. Look at the Samples Listing link http://code.google.com/p/epub-sample...SamplesListing for all the samples they have.

Each sample let you either download the ePub file or browse the source.

These samples were found by Googling for sample epub3.

JSWolf · 07-20-2012, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

You'd be wrong.

Please prove to me how I would be incorrect.

AlexBell · 07-21-2012, 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeterT

You could also try browsing http://code.google.com/p/epub-samples/ for samples of ePub3 files. Look at the Samples Listing link http://code.google.com/p/epub-sample...SamplesListing for all the samples they have.

Each sample let you either download the ePub file or browse the source.

These samples were found by Googling for sample epub3.

Thanks, Peter. That's a potentially very useful pair of URLs.

If I'd been clever enough to google for sample ePub3 instead of example ePub3 I'd have found it myself.

Jellby · 07-21-2012, 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Please prove to me how I would be incorrect.

"Minimal" XHTML 1.1:

Code:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en">
<head>
  <title>Chapter X</title>
  <link href="css/style.css" type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" />
</head>
<body>

<h1>Chapter X</h1>

<p>It was a dark and stormy night...</p>

</body>
</html>

"Minimal" HTML5:

Code:

<!DOCTYPE html> 
<html lang="en"> 
<head> 
  <meta charset="utf-8" /> 
  <link href="css/style.css" type="text/css" rel="stylesheet" />
</head>
<body> 

<h1>Chapter X</h1>

<p>It was a dark and stormy night...</p>

</body> 
</html>

A small gain, but simpler anyway.

JSWolf · 07-21-2012, 04:23 PM

Granted, the header is simpler, but after the header, what's simpler?

DaleDe · 07-21-2012, 04:45 PM

I would say simpler to understand but more difficult to code. HTML5 uses semantics and groupings with semantic boundaries which could easily make it more difficult initially but more powerful. IMHO it is more readable since it discourages the incessant use of <div> all over the place which makes understand much more difficult.

Dale

DaleDe · 07-21-2012, 04:49 PM

I do think the ePub3 TOC method is superior to the ePub2 version. For one thing it is pure html instead of a different standard of ncx format. It is more powerful in that you user can control how far down the TOC levels should descend and it is solves the problem of inline TOC verse external TOC since the same file can be used for both. Unfortunately the ncx debacle will still be with us to support ePub2 readers for a while.

AlPe · 07-25-2012, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaleDe

I would say simpler to understand but more difficult to code. HTML5 uses semantics and groupings with semantic boundaries which could easily make it more difficult initially but more powerful. IMHO it is more readable since it discourages the incessant use of <div> all over the place which makes understand much more difficult.

I challenge the word "discourage". I think the most appropriate wording is "it offers a systematically-established semantic-oriented way of replacing the <div>'s".

In other words: HTML5 offers uniform, very detailed tags to mark the semantics of your document, even though it does not disallow "bad (i.e., non-semantic) usage" of generic elements like <div>.

DaleDe · 07-26-2012, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlPe

I challenge the word "discourage". I think the most appropriate wording is "it offers a systematically-established semantic-oriented way of replacing the <div>'s".

In other words: HTML5 offers uniform, very detailed tags to mark the semantics of your document, even though it does not disallow "bad (i.e., non-semantic) usage" of generic elements like <div>.

Yea, I can go with that. It sounds much better and means the same thing.

Dale

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07-20-2012, 07:06 AM	#31
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 27,532 Karma: 193191846 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	In all fairness... there was no need to google, even. I posted the link for Liz' blog after the first request for it. In post #6.

07-20-2012, 07:09 AM	#32
mrmikel Color me gone Posts: 2,089 Karma: 1445295 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Oregon Coast Device: PRS-300	Some of the difficulty new users have is the search engine. I love everything about this site but its terrible search engine. It simply doesn't retrieve material that is here.

07-20-2012, 07:22 AM	#33
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 121692313 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-T1, Kobo Touch, Kobo Aura	The search engine can have some improvement, but when I search for 'epub3 video' around the third hit give a code example how to do it. No rocket science involved there. For some searches the more advanced version needs to be used. *Edit: It is actually the fourth link.

07-20-2012, 11:00 AM	#34
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 7,515 Karma: 18512745 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura	ePub 3 has some advantages for "normal" books too, like HTML5 syntax (potentially simpler than XHTML), support for additional CSS properties (like text-transform), possible inline TOC (replacing NCX)... If I had a well-behaved ePub 3 reader, I'd be creating ePub 3 books already.

07-20-2012, 06:24 PM	#37
PeterT Grand Sorcerer Posts: 12,141 Karma: 73448616 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Toronto Device: Nexus 7, Clara, Touch, Tolino EPOS	You could also try browsing http://code.google.com/p/epub-samples/ for samples of ePub3 files. Look at the Samples Listing link http://code.google.com/p/epub-sample...SamplesListing for all the samples they have. Each sample let you either download the ePub file or browse the source. These samples were found by Googling for sample epub3.

07-21-2012, 04:23 PM	#41
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,835 Karma: 128597114 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Granted, the header is simpler, but after the header, what's simpler?

07-21-2012, 04:45 PM	#42
DaleDe Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,470 Karma: 13095790 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Grass Valley, CA Device: EB 1150, EZ Reader, Literati, iPad 2 & Air 2, iPhone 7	I would say simpler to understand but more difficult to code. HTML5 uses semantics and groupings with semantic boundaries which could easily make it more difficult initially but more powerful. IMHO it is more readable since it discourages the incessant use of <div> all over the place which makes understand much more difficult. Dale

07-21-2012, 04:49 PM	#43
DaleDe Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,470 Karma: 13095790 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Grass Valley, CA Device: EB 1150, EZ Reader, Literati, iPad 2 & Air 2, iPhone 7	I do think the ePub3 TOC method is superior to the ePub2 version. For one thing it is pure html instead of a different standard of ncx format. It is more powerful in that you user can control how far down the TOC levels should descend and it is solves the problem of inline TOC verse external TOC since the same file can be used for both. Unfortunately the ncx debacle will still be with us to support ePub2 readers for a while.